Comments on: UK: “Shed owners warned wire on windows could hurt burglars”

By: March 3 roundup

March 3 roundup — Thu, 03 Mar 2011 05:10:43 +0000

[…] Police in Surrey, England, deny advising garden shed owners not to use wire mesh against burglars [Volokh, earlier] […]

By: mojo

mojo — Mon, 14 Feb 2011 20:22:22 +0000

Traps are unlawful because they’re non-selective, they’ll hit anybody that trips them. I suppose you could apply the same “non-selective” criteria to wall-top glass and barbed wire. But you’d be an idiot to do so, in my opinion. Passive deterrence is not the same as active but non-selective defense.

By: Robin

Robin — Mon, 14 Feb 2011 19:11:52 +0000

I could see an argument against setting “traps” or other somewhat dangerous configurations, although I’m not sure where barbed wire would fall into the mix. However, the wire mesh on the windows is totally baffling to me. If anything, it makes things safer. The authorities seem to be saying that you cannot have unshuttered windows. It is certainly a topsy turvy world they’re describing.

By: Rebecca

Rebecca — Mon, 14 Feb 2011 13:45:41 +0000

” upon criminal trespass, the criminal surrenders their right to bodily safety”
I am curious as to why it is not already so?

By: bradley13

bradley13 — Sun, 13 Feb 2011 20:45:41 +0000

Doug, it’s not so different in the USA. Did you know Arnold Schwarzenegger, back when he was a starving wannabe actor, worked as a builder? One story of that time was when he was working on a tall wall around some estate. This wall was something like 10 feet tall, clearly meant to be unclimbable – and to ensure that it stayed so, he mortared broken glass on the top of it. He was reportedly shocked when he was told that he couldn’t do this, as trespassers might hurt themselves and sue the owner.

There have also been less egregious cases, where suits did happen. Seems to me that there should be clear legislation: upon criminal trespass, the criminal surrenders their right to bodily safety. Castle doctrine is one aspect of this – wire mesh, broken glass and other passive defensive measures are another.

By: John Burgess

John Burgess — Sat, 12 Feb 2011 19:04:13 +0000

I guess that’s it for glass, too, huh? Sharp, pointy, nasty glass.

I wonder what the Guild of Glaziers will have to say about that?

By: L Nettles

L Nettles — Sat, 12 Feb 2011 17:07:13 +0000

I’m meant February 5 roundup

By: L Nettles

L Nettles — Sat, 12 Feb 2011 17:06:39 +0000

In that in the Restatement (Third) Torts or will we have to wait for the Fourth Restatement
(November 5 roundup)

By: Doug

Doug — Sat, 12 Feb 2011 14:29:24 +0000

frankly, i am amazed that people in England are allowed to have sheds. Just leave the stuff outside in view for the goods to be stolen.