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		By: antiredistributionist		</title>
		<link>https://www.overlawyered.com/2011/06/chuck-norris-it-started-with-a-fight/comment-page-1/#comment-122582</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[antiredistributionist]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jun 2011 20:44:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Mr. Miller - A little thought should tell you that the &quot;fact&quot; (which I don&#039;t concede) that a given attorney can&#039;t survive on exclusively frivolous lawsuits tells us next to nothing about their prevalence.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Miller &#8211; A little thought should tell you that the &#8220;fact&#8221; (which I don&#8217;t concede) that a given attorney can&#8217;t survive on exclusively frivolous lawsuits tells us next to nothing about their prevalence.</p>
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		By: gitarcarver		</title>
		<link>https://www.overlawyered.com/2011/06/chuck-norris-it-started-with-a-fight/comment-page-1/#comment-122542</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[gitarcarver]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jun 2011 19:01:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Frivolous lawsuits are filed ALL OF THE TIME.&lt;/i&gt;
Agreed.

&lt;i&gt;whether it is really being done on the scale which some suggest. &lt;/i&gt;

The question is why a frivolous lawsuit should be allowed to go forward or exist at all.  

&lt;i&gt;It just does, Gitarcarver.&lt;/i&gt;

All evidence to the contrary, Ron.

&lt;i&gt;Actually, Antiredistributionist, this is exactly the issue because it informs us on the frequency of frivolous lawsuits.&lt;/i&gt;

I am always amazed that you believe in regulations that have no basis in any sort of statistical support, and then want to quantify the &quot;frequency of frivolous lawsuits,&quot; as if you are the final arbitrator of what is an acceptable level of a frivolous lawsuits.

Tell me Ron, have you ever been the victim of a frivolous lawsuit?  One without merit whatsoever?  Or would your contention be that since you have not witnessed them, they do not exist?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Frivolous lawsuits are filed ALL OF THE TIME.</i><br />
Agreed.</p>
<p><i>whether it is really being done on the scale which some suggest. </i></p>
<p>The question is why a frivolous lawsuit should be allowed to go forward or exist at all.  </p>
<p><i>It just does, Gitarcarver.</i></p>
<p>All evidence to the contrary, Ron.</p>
<p><i>Actually, Antiredistributionist, this is exactly the issue because it informs us on the frequency of frivolous lawsuits.</i></p>
<p>I am always amazed that you believe in regulations that have no basis in any sort of statistical support, and then want to quantify the &#8220;frequency of frivolous lawsuits,&#8221; as if you are the final arbitrator of what is an acceptable level of a frivolous lawsuits.</p>
<p>Tell me Ron, have you ever been the victim of a frivolous lawsuit?  One without merit whatsoever?  Or would your contention be that since you have not witnessed them, they do not exist?</p>
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		By: Ron Miller		</title>
		<link>https://www.overlawyered.com/2011/06/chuck-norris-it-started-with-a-fight/comment-page-1/#comment-122536</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ron Miller]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jun 2011 18:16:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[There are 311 million people in this country.  Frivolous lawsuits are filed ALL OF THE TIME.  What we are trying to figure out, with some level of nuance here and I apologize in advance for that, just how many that &quot;all of the time&quot; is and whether it is really being done on the scale which some suggest.  

It just does, Gitarcarver.  You can pretend it is not more involved than that if you like.  I understand the temptation you have to talk about something about which you know nothing - we all do it from time to time.  But it is just silly, uninformed, and does not add much to the discourse.  

Actually, Antiredistributionist, this is exactly the issue because it informs us on the frequency of frivolous lawsuits.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are 311 million people in this country.  Frivolous lawsuits are filed ALL OF THE TIME.  What we are trying to figure out, with some level of nuance here and I apologize in advance for that, just how many that &#8220;all of the time&#8221; is and whether it is really being done on the scale which some suggest.  </p>
<p>It just does, Gitarcarver.  You can pretend it is not more involved than that if you like.  I understand the temptation you have to talk about something about which you know nothing &#8211; we all do it from time to time.  But it is just silly, uninformed, and does not add much to the discourse.  </p>
<p>Actually, Antiredistributionist, this is exactly the issue because it informs us on the frequency of frivolous lawsuits.</p>
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		By: gitarcarver		</title>
		<link>https://www.overlawyered.com/2011/06/chuck-norris-it-started-with-a-fight/comment-page-1/#comment-122535</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[gitarcarver]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jun 2011 18:05:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Gitarcarver, have you ever run a business? Let me take a guess… no. I’m right? Really? &lt;/i&gt;

You mean other than the one I am running now?  Or other than the one I sold several years ago?

&lt;i&gt;It takes more than 2 hours – geez to file a lawsuit, meet with the clients, and all of the things you have to do to get to that $800.&lt;/i&gt;

Right.  Because it takes 30 minutes to meet with a client.  Fifteen minutes to fill in a boilerplate form and another 15 minutes for a settlement agreement.  

Plus, don&#039;t forget, I still have 6 hours left in the day.  

&lt;i&gt;You have to listen to me: you can’t maintain a practice filing frivolous lawsuits.&lt;/i&gt;

And yet time and time again we see it here, don&#039;t we Ron?  Who are you going to believe, you or your lying eyes?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Gitarcarver, have you ever run a business? Let me take a guess… no. I’m right? Really? </i></p>
<p>You mean other than the one I am running now?  Or other than the one I sold several years ago?</p>
<p><i>It takes more than 2 hours – geez to file a lawsuit, meet with the clients, and all of the things you have to do to get to that $800.</i></p>
<p>Right.  Because it takes 30 minutes to meet with a client.  Fifteen minutes to fill in a boilerplate form and another 15 minutes for a settlement agreement.  </p>
<p>Plus, don&#8217;t forget, I still have 6 hours left in the day.  </p>
<p><i>You have to listen to me: you can’t maintain a practice filing frivolous lawsuits.</i></p>
<p>And yet time and time again we see it here, don&#8217;t we Ron?  Who are you going to believe, you or your lying eyes?</p>
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		By: Bill Alexander		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bill Alexander]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jun 2011 17:44:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[As a non-lawyer, I view the frivolous lawsuits like buying lottery tickets. They have their day job, and if they hit the jackpot on a lottery lawsuit, then they get a large bonus.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a non-lawyer, I view the frivolous lawsuits like buying lottery tickets. They have their day job, and if they hit the jackpot on a lottery lawsuit, then they get a large bonus.</p>
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		By: antiredistributionist		</title>
		<link>https://www.overlawyered.com/2011/06/chuck-norris-it-started-with-a-fight/comment-page-1/#comment-122533</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[antiredistributionist]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jun 2011 17:37:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I have seen many a complaint that was the fruit of less than two hours of &quot;investigation,&quot; &quot;drafting&quot;, etc.  And I can&#039;t remember the last time plaintiff&#039;s counsel prepared a settlement agreement.

And whether or not a given lawyer can survive filing only frivolous suits has nothing to do with the issue.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have seen many a complaint that was the fruit of less than two hours of &#8220;investigation,&#8221; &#8220;drafting&#8221;, etc.  And I can&#8217;t remember the last time plaintiff&#8217;s counsel prepared a settlement agreement.</p>
<p>And whether or not a given lawyer can survive filing only frivolous suits has nothing to do with the issue.</p>
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		By: Ron Miller		</title>
		<link>https://www.overlawyered.com/2011/06/chuck-norris-it-started-with-a-fight/comment-page-1/#comment-122531</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ron Miller]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jun 2011 16:51:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Gitarcarver, have you ever run a business?    Let me take a guess... no.   I&#039;m right?  Really?  

It takes more than 2 hours - geez to file a lawsuit, meet with the clients, and all of the things you have to do to get to that $800.  But let&#039;s pretend you are right.   If a lawyer is bringing in 200K a year, after expenses, his K-1 shows negative income his resume is on Monster.com.

You have to listen to me: you can&#039;t maintain a practice filing frivolous lawsuits.   Henry David Thoreau - or one of those guys - said something about a thousand guys hacking at the branches of evil for the one guy hitting a root.   I&#039;ll every convince you of this, I know.   But you are hitting a branch.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gitarcarver, have you ever run a business?    Let me take a guess&#8230; no.   I&#8217;m right?  Really?  </p>
<p>It takes more than 2 hours &#8211; geez to file a lawsuit, meet with the clients, and all of the things you have to do to get to that $800.  But let&#8217;s pretend you are right.   If a lawyer is bringing in 200K a year, after expenses, his K-1 shows negative income his resume is on Monster.com.</p>
<p>You have to listen to me: you can&#8217;t maintain a practice filing frivolous lawsuits.   Henry David Thoreau &#8211; or one of those guys &#8211; said something about a thousand guys hacking at the branches of evil for the one guy hitting a root.   I&#8217;ll every convince you of this, I know.   But you are hitting a branch.</p>
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		By: gitarcarver		</title>
		<link>https://www.overlawyered.com/2011/06/chuck-norris-it-started-with-a-fight/comment-page-1/#comment-122487</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[gitarcarver]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jun 2011 03:37:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;the Chuck Norris story is true, some lawyer make $800 on his best day. &lt;/i&gt;

Yeah, because we all know that a lawyer doing only 2 hours of work a day and making $800 for that 2 hours could never survive on the resulting $200,000 a year.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>the Chuck Norris story is true, some lawyer make $800 on his best day. </i></p>
<p>Yeah, because we all know that a lawyer doing only 2 hours of work a day and making $800 for that 2 hours could never survive on the resulting $200,000 a year.</p>
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		By: Ron Miller		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ron Miller]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jun 2011 22:23:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Frivolous lawsuits ARE a problem.   The question is how big of a problem they are.  You can&#039;t build a law practice filing frivolous lawsuits.  You just can&#039;t.   I think that is where the big misconception is.  

 They have been since we founded this place.  But the problem with trying to limit them is that you don&#039;t want to discourage lawsuits that are not remotely frivolous and just do not succeed.   Just because the defendant wins does not mean the lawsuit never should have been filed.

A related problem is the Brown v. Board of Education problem.  A ridiculous lawsuit that never should have been filed based on the the law of the land at the time.    If that case is filed just 15 years earlier, is is dismissed as absolutely frivolous.   So trying to crack down on a problem that is not an anchor or the economy - give me one real stat on frivolous lawsuits being an anchor - you discourage a lot of cases like Brown v. Board of Education that do change the world for the better.

But there is one thing I need everyone to understand.  Again, from the trenches, there is just no way to maintain a practice based on filing frivolous lawsuits.  The point in the comment above is important.  Pretending, against all logic, the Chuck Norris story is true, some lawyer make $800  on his best day.  That is a recipe for going out of business within the year.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frivolous lawsuits ARE a problem.   The question is how big of a problem they are.  You can&#8217;t build a law practice filing frivolous lawsuits.  You just can&#8217;t.   I think that is where the big misconception is.  </p>
<p> They have been since we founded this place.  But the problem with trying to limit them is that you don&#8217;t want to discourage lawsuits that are not remotely frivolous and just do not succeed.   Just because the defendant wins does not mean the lawsuit never should have been filed.</p>
<p>A related problem is the Brown v. Board of Education problem.  A ridiculous lawsuit that never should have been filed based on the the law of the land at the time.    If that case is filed just 15 years earlier, is is dismissed as absolutely frivolous.   So trying to crack down on a problem that is not an anchor or the economy &#8211; give me one real stat on frivolous lawsuits being an anchor &#8211; you discourage a lot of cases like Brown v. Board of Education that do change the world for the better.</p>
<p>But there is one thing I need everyone to understand.  Again, from the trenches, there is just no way to maintain a practice based on filing frivolous lawsuits.  The point in the comment above is important.  Pretending, against all logic, the Chuck Norris story is true, some lawyer make $800  on his best day.  That is a recipe for going out of business within the year.</p>
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		By: ps		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ps]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jun 2011 07:00:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[i thought this was just another chuck norris joke. &quot;chuck norris doesn&#039;t engage in litigation, he is the law.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i thought this was just another chuck norris joke. &#8220;chuck norris doesn&#8217;t engage in litigation, he is the law.&#8221;</p>
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