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		By: Ron Miller		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ron Miller]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[By the way, we have 311 million people in this country.  When one of those people files a lawsuit, we all begin to make great assumptions about what it must mean for all of humanity.    Can we just once let just a jury verdicts - just one, of course -  be our lens to the fall of Western Civilization as the result of litigation as opposed to the filing of a lawsuit?   One more rule: there is a 17 year statue of limitations so we can&#039;t use Stella Liebeck.   Sorry.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way, we have 311 million people in this country.  When one of those people files a lawsuit, we all begin to make great assumptions about what it must mean for all of humanity.    Can we just once let just a jury verdicts &#8211; just one, of course &#8211;  be our lens to the fall of Western Civilization as the result of litigation as opposed to the filing of a lawsuit?   One more rule: there is a 17 year statue of limitations so we can&#8217;t use Stella Liebeck.   Sorry.</p>
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		By: gasman		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[gasman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jun 2011 17:29:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot; There are no fences around it. The pole was not marked with signs. There are no &quot;anti-climbing&quot; devices on the pole, such as slippery galvanized spikes or barbed wire.&quot;
Coming to Tampa neighborhoods at every utility pole:  fences, large signs, anti-climbing devices, and barbed wire.  You can thank this family for the new look in your neighborhood.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; There are no fences around it. The pole was not marked with signs. There are no &#8220;anti-climbing&#8221; devices on the pole, such as slippery galvanized spikes or barbed wire.&#8221;<br />
Coming to Tampa neighborhoods at every utility pole:  fences, large signs, anti-climbing devices, and barbed wire.  You can thank this family for the new look in your neighborhood.</p>
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		By: gitarcarver		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[gitarcarver]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jun 2011 15:29:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Bill, 

The article does say that the pole was askew and a nearby tree had grown to the point where access was easier.  

I happen to be a customer of Florida Power and Light, (FPL) and as a property manager, I have had some experience with their tree trimming crews.  

Unless the growth in question interferes with the line - not the pole, the actual power lines - FPL won&#039;t touch the vine or the tree.  If and when they do trim a tree,  they will only trim the side facing the power lines.   

The reason?  Liability issues and lawsuits.  FPL nor their contractors do not want people at risk from falls or a slip of the chainsaw than they have to be.  Property owners have sued FPL in the past for cutting trees away from the lines, and then &quot;rounding&quot; or balancing the shape of the tree saying that FPL had no legal right to trim the tree.  FPL now just trims the part that hangs over the line&#039;s right of way. 

The last time I called FPL about a tree in a line, they sent a guy out to look at it.  He said &quot;yep.... there is a tree in the line...... we&#039;ll get back to you.&quot;

The next person was an arborist, who determined that the tree was alive, and could be pruned.  (This was to comply with a county ordinance.)  Next to appear was a tree trimming crew supervisor.  He determined that his crew could not get a cherry picker truck close enough to the tree.  (This despite the fact that the previous month, a power outage had necessitated an FPL cherry picker truck to get to the same area.  Same trucks... different results.)  

The supervisor recommends that FPL move some of the lines that are in the way of the cherry picker getting to the tree.  

FPL comes out and moved the line but now the lines go through the palm fronds of the tree.  

A few days later, the fronds catch fire.  The local Fire Department comes out and says &quot;we&#039;ll contact FPL about the situation.&quot;

FPL sends a NEW guy out who says &quot;yep..... there is a line running through the tree.  We&#039;ll get back to you.&quot;

I ask him what was happening with the other work order for the tree trimming, and he said that by the Fire Department calling the request in, they closed the books on the first one as it was superseded by the FD request.  

Next to come out is the arborist, who says that there is no say way to trim the tree because the lines are too close to the upper ball of the tree and if you trim the fronds all the way back, it will kill the tree.   He tells FPL they have move the lines.

FPL comes back and moves the lines back to their original position.  

The tree contractor comes back and decides that they can&#039;t get in there with a standard truck, so they will need a smaller cherry picker.  

Two months later, the tree is trimmed - on one side only.  

Total time?  About 10 months.   

After this, the arborist returns to inspect the tree and he says the tree was pruned improperly.  

Ain&#039;t life grand?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill, </p>
<p>The article does say that the pole was askew and a nearby tree had grown to the point where access was easier.  </p>
<p>I happen to be a customer of Florida Power and Light, (FPL) and as a property manager, I have had some experience with their tree trimming crews.  </p>
<p>Unless the growth in question interferes with the line &#8211; not the pole, the actual power lines &#8211; FPL won&#8217;t touch the vine or the tree.  If and when they do trim a tree,  they will only trim the side facing the power lines.   </p>
<p>The reason?  Liability issues and lawsuits.  FPL nor their contractors do not want people at risk from falls or a slip of the chainsaw than they have to be.  Property owners have sued FPL in the past for cutting trees away from the lines, and then &#8220;rounding&#8221; or balancing the shape of the tree saying that FPL had no legal right to trim the tree.  FPL now just trims the part that hangs over the line&#8217;s right of way. </p>
<p>The last time I called FPL about a tree in a line, they sent a guy out to look at it.  He said &#8220;yep&#8230;. there is a tree in the line&#8230;&#8230; we&#8217;ll get back to you.&#8221;</p>
<p>The next person was an arborist, who determined that the tree was alive, and could be pruned.  (This was to comply with a county ordinance.)  Next to appear was a tree trimming crew supervisor.  He determined that his crew could not get a cherry picker truck close enough to the tree.  (This despite the fact that the previous month, a power outage had necessitated an FPL cherry picker truck to get to the same area.  Same trucks&#8230; different results.)  </p>
<p>The supervisor recommends that FPL move some of the lines that are in the way of the cherry picker getting to the tree.  </p>
<p>FPL comes out and moved the line but now the lines go through the palm fronds of the tree.  </p>
<p>A few days later, the fronds catch fire.  The local Fire Department comes out and says &#8220;we&#8217;ll contact FPL about the situation.&#8221;</p>
<p>FPL sends a NEW guy out who says &#8220;yep&#8230;.. there is a line running through the tree.  We&#8217;ll get back to you.&#8221;</p>
<p>I ask him what was happening with the other work order for the tree trimming, and he said that by the Fire Department calling the request in, they closed the books on the first one as it was superseded by the FD request.  </p>
<p>Next to come out is the arborist, who says that there is no say way to trim the tree because the lines are too close to the upper ball of the tree and if you trim the fronds all the way back, it will kill the tree.   He tells FPL they have move the lines.</p>
<p>FPL comes back and moves the lines back to their original position.  </p>
<p>The tree contractor comes back and decides that they can&#8217;t get in there with a standard truck, so they will need a smaller cherry picker.  </p>
<p>Two months later, the tree is trimmed &#8211; on one side only.  </p>
<p>Total time?  About 10 months.   </p>
<p>After this, the arborist returns to inspect the tree and he says the tree was pruned improperly.  </p>
<p>Ain&#8217;t life grand?</p>
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		By: marco73		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jun 2011 11:31:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t believe that there is much of a case here. The child is 16, and if they have lived in Florida for more that a couple months, they are aware of the hazards of power lines. Tampa Bay is the lightening capitol of the world - we have thunderstorms blow up almost any time of the year. We teach our kids to stay away from fallen trees, since there may be live wires tangled in the branches. As previous commentators have pointed out, to get up on a 35 foot pole and touch some wires takes some considerable doing. 
Saying that, you also have the classic badly injured person suing a faceless corporation. It doesn&#039;t take much of a stretch to believe that a jury will feel great sympathy towards the family and award a large sum, just a &quot;small fraction of a percent&quot; of the income of the corporation. 
I don&#039;t think awarding any money is right, but that is the way I&#039;d bet.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t believe that there is much of a case here. The child is 16, and if they have lived in Florida for more that a couple months, they are aware of the hazards of power lines. Tampa Bay is the lightening capitol of the world &#8211; we have thunderstorms blow up almost any time of the year. We teach our kids to stay away from fallen trees, since there may be live wires tangled in the branches. As previous commentators have pointed out, to get up on a 35 foot pole and touch some wires takes some considerable doing.<br />
Saying that, you also have the classic badly injured person suing a faceless corporation. It doesn&#8217;t take much of a stretch to believe that a jury will feel great sympathy towards the family and award a large sum, just a &#8220;small fraction of a percent&#8221; of the income of the corporation.<br />
I don&#8217;t think awarding any money is right, but that is the way I&#8217;d bet.</p>
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		By: Bill Poser		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bill Poser]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jun 2011 04:18:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Mike@The kid didn&#039;t file the suit. His parents did.

All@Every power pole that I have ever seen is devoid of steps until well above the reach of a normal person. Without a ladder, special equipment, or very long arms and great strength, there is no way to climb such a pole. This practice in-and-of-itself constitutes an anti-climbing measure.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike@The kid didn&#8217;t file the suit. His parents did.</p>
<p>All@Every power pole that I have ever seen is devoid of steps until well above the reach of a normal person. Without a ladder, special equipment, or very long arms and great strength, there is no way to climb such a pole. This practice in-and-of-itself constitutes an anti-climbing measure.</p>
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		By: Ron Miller		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ron Miller]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jun 2011 00:58:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Mike, what exactly do you propose?  

I think we are using different definitions of &quot;viable claim.&quot; 

As for my condemning the hairbrained idea of billing the parents for the utilities, that was kinda bait for all the reasonable people to jump up and agree with me.  Surely, everyone would jump on my softball platitude about how we should not be vengeful towards a paralyzed 16 year-old boy.

Ah, that did not happen.  Wrong group today.   I best mosey along.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike, what exactly do you propose?  </p>
<p>I think we are using different definitions of &#8220;viable claim.&#8221; </p>
<p>As for my condemning the hairbrained idea of billing the parents for the utilities, that was kinda bait for all the reasonable people to jump up and agree with me.  Surely, everyone would jump on my softball platitude about how we should not be vengeful towards a paralyzed 16 year-old boy.</p>
<p>Ah, that did not happen.  Wrong group today.   I best mosey along.</p>
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		By: Mike		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jun 2011 20:28:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@ Ron, 
You seem to doubt this is a &quot;viable&quot; claim. 
That&#039;s not the right question. Just because the law allows such a claim to proceed doesnt mean its the right thing to do.
The utility company is not at fault here, end of story.
 
The major problem with our legal system is we make claims like this &quot;viable&quot;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Ron,<br />
You seem to doubt this is a &#8220;viable&#8221; claim.<br />
That&#8217;s not the right question. Just because the law allows such a claim to proceed doesnt mean its the right thing to do.<br />
The utility company is not at fault here, end of story.</p>
<p>The major problem with our legal system is we make claims like this &#8220;viable&#8221;.</p>
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		By: Jack Wilson		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jack Wilson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jun 2011 20:15:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sending the parents a bill would also send a message to other parents to teach their kids to stay away from utility poles.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sending the parents a bill would also send a message to other parents to teach their kids to stay away from utility poles.</p>
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		By: Jim Collins		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jim Collins]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jun 2011 16:46:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[So what if the power company had placed an &quot;anti-climbing&quot; device on the pole and the kid was hurt because of it?  It is a no win situation for the power company.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So what if the power company had placed an &#8220;anti-climbing&#8221; device on the pole and the kid was hurt because of it?  It is a no win situation for the power company.</p>
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		By: Ron Miller		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ron Miller]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jun 2011 16:36:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[John, 15k is just a form pleading.  Clearly, they are seeking millions of dollars.

Mannie, you follow-up comment adds a good deal of clarity to you and your position.   Thanks.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John, 15k is just a form pleading.  Clearly, they are seeking millions of dollars.</p>
<p>Mannie, you follow-up comment adds a good deal of clarity to you and your position.   Thanks.</p>
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