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		By: Monkey-snapped photos, cont&#8217;d		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Monkey-snapped photos, cont&#8217;d]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jul 2011 15:16:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[...] A takedown letter (not, apparently, monkey-typed) is the latest development in the copyright flap that has transfixed the legal blogosphere [David Post, Jim Harper, Lowering the Bar, earlier] [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] A takedown letter (not, apparently, monkey-typed) is the latest development in the copyright flap that has transfixed the legal blogosphere [David Post, Jim Harper, Lowering the Bar, earlier] [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: Richard		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jul 2011 02:02:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[As of now, the &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Public_domain#Non-creative_works&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Wikipedia content guideline on public domain works&lt;/a&gt; claims that a work that was produced by an animal (as opposed to a human) does not qualify for copyright, at least in the US. (The example of a painting by a chimpanzee is given.) However, it may be that in the case of the &quot;monkey photographer&quot; that David Slater (or his employer, if any) would be considered the copyright holder (note the responses by @John Burgess (07.10.11 at 11:23 am) and @Mark Biggar (07.11.11 at 11:32 am.) To be sure, there is the question of how a painting chimpanzee (for which a human probably arranged for the act of painting to be carried out) differs from the case of a monkey unexpectedly causing photos to be taken with a camera that a person had set up for their own use.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As of now, the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Public_domain#Non-creative_works" rel="nofollow">Wikipedia content guideline on public domain works</a> claims that a work that was produced by an animal (as opposed to a human) does not qualify for copyright, at least in the US. (The example of a painting by a chimpanzee is given.) However, it may be that in the case of the &#8220;monkey photographer&#8221; that David Slater (or his employer, if any) would be considered the copyright holder (note the responses by @John Burgess (07.10.11 at 11:23 am) and @Mark Biggar (07.11.11 at 11:32 am.) To be sure, there is the question of how a painting chimpanzee (for which a human probably arranged for the act of painting to be carried out) differs from the case of a monkey unexpectedly causing photos to be taken with a camera that a person had set up for their own use.</p>
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		By: Mark Biggar		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mark Biggar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jul 2011 16:32:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[How is the monkey different from an automatic shutter timer?  As the monkey has no intention to take pictures and obviously didn&#039;t understand even what a camera is for how can he be the author?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How is the monkey different from an automatic shutter timer?  As the monkey has no intention to take pictures and obviously didn&#8217;t understand even what a camera is for how can he be the author?</p>
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		By: Bumper		</title>
		<link>https://www.overlawyered.com/2011/07/july-10-roundup/comment-page-1/#comment-123847</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bumper]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jul 2011 04:41:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Mother Jones who would have guessed such a balanced article.

&quot;says Laurie Levenson, ... It doesn&#039;t mean that something didn&#039;t happen.&quot;

The new code for we all know nothing happened, but we sure would like some ju$tice anyway.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mother Jones who would have guessed such a balanced article.</p>
<p>&#8220;says Laurie Levenson, &#8230; It doesn&#8217;t mean that something didn&#8217;t happen.&#8221;</p>
<p>The new code for we all know nothing happened, but we sure would like some ju$tice anyway.</p>
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		By: Prof. Underwood		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Prof. Underwood]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jul 2011 20:09:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Some of us have been looking at the plaintiff&#039;s closing. Is it proper to ask for punitive damages to send a message to other corporations that may be drafting policies? Having been on the defense side of the v. I was not fond of sending a message arguments. But I don&#039;t think the argument was proper. Does anyone have a take on this? Steve Gillers asked the question at Legal Ethics Forum. Of course, is beside the point now, insofar as this plaintiff is concerned.  I wonder what the jury made of the argument, and the size of the damages requested. Anyway, I had not followed this case, and the Mother Jones piece was informative.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some of us have been looking at the plaintiff&#8217;s closing. Is it proper to ask for punitive damages to send a message to other corporations that may be drafting policies? Having been on the defense side of the v. I was not fond of sending a message arguments. But I don&#8217;t think the argument was proper. Does anyone have a take on this? Steve Gillers asked the question at Legal Ethics Forum. Of course, is beside the point now, insofar as this plaintiff is concerned.  I wonder what the jury made of the argument, and the size of the damages requested. Anyway, I had not followed this case, and the Mother Jones piece was informative.</p>
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		By: John Burgess		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Burgess]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jul 2011 16:23:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@Le Mur: The owner of the equipment and/or the one who set it up to take those photographs.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Le Mur: The owner of the equipment and/or the one who set it up to take those photographs.</p>
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		By: Le Mur		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Le Mur]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jul 2011 15:14:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;I&gt;Legal Questions Raised by Success of Monkey Photographer&lt;/I&gt;

Who own pictures of animals taken with &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www.instructables.com/id/Cheap-Motion-Detection-Wildlife-Camera/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;motion-detection equipment &lt;/A&gt;?  The animals? The equipment?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Legal Questions Raised by Success of Monkey Photographer</i></p>
<p>Who own pictures of animals taken with <a HREF="http://www.instructables.com/id/Cheap-Motion-Detection-Wildlife-Camera/" rel="nofollow">motion-detection equipment </a>?  The animals? The equipment?</p>
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