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		By: Hugo S. Cunningham		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[A belated comment on the McDonald&#039;s hot coffee case:

From WO&#039;s post at
http://overlawyered.com/2011/06/hot-coffee-documentary-hbo-reviewed/#comments

&#062;I’m pretty sure no groups critical of the Liebeck award ever did a comparable press push; and the McDonald’s company itself, so far as I know, never chose to cooperate with commentators who might be sympathetic to its legal case.
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Though sympathetic to tort reform, I can understand why McDonald&#039;s does not want to revisit this case.  The $2.7 million punitive damages to force them to cool their coffee to the temperature of dishwater was out of line.  But some of the arguments that it was *all* the plaintiff&#039;s fault remind me of Whitaker Chambers&#039;s notorious paraphrase of &lt;i&gt;Atlas Shrugged&lt;/i&gt;, &quot;To a gas chamber -- go!&quot;

The extraordinary burns that the plaintiff got made her case an &quot;exception that proves the rule,&quot; distinct from the usual whiners and hustlers seeking big payoffs for minor injuries.  For a big company, it is sometimes best to pay to make bad publicity go away.

Although the plaintiff&#039;s attorney standard of 135-140 degrees (or at most 155 degrees) has not been adopted, I believe the current standards for Starbucks and McDonalds are a bit lower than the 193 degrees cited in this case.  (ON the other hand, when I make tea at home, I always boil the water.)

It might make sense to serve car customers, subject to extra spill hazards, at a somewhat lower temperature than counter customers.

I understand the cups used to serve car sustomers have been redesigned to make spills less likely.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A belated comment on the McDonald&#8217;s hot coffee case:</p>
<p>From WO&#8217;s post at<br />
<a href="http://overlawyered.com/2011/06/hot-coffee-documentary-hbo-reviewed/#comments" rel="nofollow ugc">http://overlawyered.com/2011/06/hot-coffee-documentary-hbo-reviewed/#comments</a></p>
<p>&gt;I’m pretty sure no groups critical of the Liebeck award ever did a comparable press push; and the McDonald’s company itself, so far as I know, never chose to cooperate with commentators who might be sympathetic to its legal case.<br />
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<p>Though sympathetic to tort reform, I can understand why McDonald&#8217;s does not want to revisit this case.  The $2.7 million punitive damages to force them to cool their coffee to the temperature of dishwater was out of line.  But some of the arguments that it was *all* the plaintiff&#8217;s fault remind me of Whitaker Chambers&#8217;s notorious paraphrase of <i>Atlas Shrugged</i>, &#8220;To a gas chamber &#8212; go!&#8221;</p>
<p>The extraordinary burns that the plaintiff got made her case an &#8220;exception that proves the rule,&#8221; distinct from the usual whiners and hustlers seeking big payoffs for minor injuries.  For a big company, it is sometimes best to pay to make bad publicity go away.</p>
<p>Although the plaintiff&#8217;s attorney standard of 135-140 degrees (or at most 155 degrees) has not been adopted, I believe the current standards for Starbucks and McDonalds are a bit lower than the 193 degrees cited in this case.  (ON the other hand, when I make tea at home, I always boil the water.)</p>
<p>It might make sense to serve car customers, subject to extra spill hazards, at a somewhat lower temperature than counter customers.</p>
<p>I understand the cups used to serve car sustomers have been redesigned to make spills less likely.</p>
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		By: Jim Collins		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jim Collins]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jul 2011 14:57:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[MADD is a non-profit my ass.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MADD is a non-profit my ass.</p>
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