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		By: wfjag		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Sep 2011 15:15:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@Jim Collins  
&quot;The magistrate was removed about a year later for taking payoffs for reducing DUI’s to reckless driving.&quot;

See?  It you&#039;d just returned the envelope with the small cash &quot;fine&quot;, you&#039;d have saved yourself time and money.  But, Noooooo!  
You had to involve the nice lady behind the library&#039;s front desk and plead &quot;Not Guilty&quot; and act like a smarty pants lawyer.

That&#039;s what happens when you don&#039;t sleep through Civics Class in High School.  You think that all those rights have something to do with you.  Instead of getting a job in the trades, you go to college and law school.

Next time, try the Chicago Way.  Take Vito (or Bubba -- although he tends to drool on the car seats when you&#039;re driving to court), not the Librarian.  And take a picture of the Magistrate&#039;s kids, and not the letter from the airline saying they lost your bags.  Then, when you&#039;re asked to plead, you say &quot;Nice family ya got there.  Be a shame if sumthun was ta happen.  By the way, you a memba of The Union?&quot;  That works much better than relying on law and evidence.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jim Collins<br />
&#8220;The magistrate was removed about a year later for taking payoffs for reducing DUI’s to reckless driving.&#8221;</p>
<p>See?  It you&#8217;d just returned the envelope with the small cash &#8220;fine&#8221;, you&#8217;d have saved yourself time and money.  But, Noooooo!<br />
You had to involve the nice lady behind the library&#8217;s front desk and plead &#8220;Not Guilty&#8221; and act like a smarty pants lawyer.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s what happens when you don&#8217;t sleep through Civics Class in High School.  You think that all those rights have something to do with you.  Instead of getting a job in the trades, you go to college and law school.</p>
<p>Next time, try the Chicago Way.  Take Vito (or Bubba &#8212; although he tends to drool on the car seats when you&#8217;re driving to court), not the Librarian.  And take a picture of the Magistrate&#8217;s kids, and not the letter from the airline saying they lost your bags.  Then, when you&#8217;re asked to plead, you say &#8220;Nice family ya got there.  Be a shame if sumthun was ta happen.  By the way, you a memba of The Union?&#8221;  That works much better than relying on law and evidence.</p>
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		By: Paul McKaskle		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul McKaskle]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Sep 2011 18:46:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In the mid-1960s when I was a deputy district attorney in Ventura CA I issued a misdemeanor arrest warrant at the request of the county library for someone who had failed to return books for many months.  I don&#039;t think he was ever apprehended, however.  It did get a mention in the local newspaper, though.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the mid-1960s when I was a deputy district attorney in Ventura CA I issued a misdemeanor arrest warrant at the request of the county library for someone who had failed to return books for many months.  I don&#8217;t think he was ever apprehended, however.  It did get a mention in the local newspaper, though.</p>
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		By: Jim Collins		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jim Collins]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Sep 2011 16:22:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The magistrate was removed about a year later for taking payoffs for reducing DUI&#039;s to reckless driving.

The airline told me that they were not responsible because they had found my luggage.  If I would have paid for the books they would have reimbursed me.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The magistrate was removed about a year later for taking payoffs for reducing DUI&#8217;s to reckless driving.</p>
<p>The airline told me that they were not responsible because they had found my luggage.  If I would have paid for the books they would have reimbursed me.</p>
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		By: Mark Biggar		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mark Biggar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Sep 2011 15:55:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Bill the airline.]]></description>
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		By: John Burgess		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Burgess]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Sep 2011 15:50:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[My library has a system of charging either replacement value for new(ish) books or an average price for books of the sort, i.e., paperback, fiction, non-fiction, etc. In no case can the fine for overdue books exceed the replacement value.

Rare books are not loaned out, obviating the problem of trying to replace an invaluable, unique example.

I&#039;ve definitely lost a few books in travel, so now only take out paperbacks when there&#039;s a chance they&#039;ll be lost.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My library has a system of charging either replacement value for new(ish) books or an average price for books of the sort, i.e., paperback, fiction, non-fiction, etc. In no case can the fine for overdue books exceed the replacement value.</p>
<p>Rare books are not loaned out, obviating the problem of trying to replace an invaluable, unique example.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve definitely lost a few books in travel, so now only take out paperbacks when there&#8217;s a chance they&#8217;ll be lost.</p>
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		By: Hugo S. Cunningham		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hugo S. Cunningham]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Sep 2011 15:35:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@jim collins:

The magistrate who ignored the librarian&#039;s testimony to find you guilty sounds like a moron.  Does your State have any provision for removing him from office?  Or, in my sheltered world, have I failed to notice that such obtuseness is considered normal by our judical community?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@jim collins:</p>
<p>The magistrate who ignored the librarian&#8217;s testimony to find you guilty sounds like a moron.  Does your State have any provision for removing him from office?  Or, in my sheltered world, have I failed to notice that such obtuseness is considered normal by our judical community?</p>
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		By: Jim Collins		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jim Collins]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Sep 2011 12:43:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The library book post caught my attention.  In 1991 an airline lost my luggage, that contained 3 library books.  I waited a few days to see if they would find my bag, and then went to the library to explain what was going on.  I offered to pay for the books, but, these were older books and couldn&#039;t be replaced, so I was told to wait and see if the airline could find them.  About three weeks later I get a registered letter from the local magistrate with a citation for misdemenor theft because of the library books.  That same day I got a call from the airline telling me that they found my bag.  I take the citation and the books to the library to see what is going on.  The head librarion was shocked about the citation and called the magistrate&#039;s office to tell them that there was a mistake and could they cancel the citation.  The answer was that once a citation was issued that was it and I had to appear before the magistrate.  The librarion and I went to the magistrate&#039;s office and I pleaded &quot;not guilty&quot; and she testified on my behalf.  I was found &quot;guilty&quot; and fined $230 plus $160 for costs.  I had to pay.  Later I found out what happened.  The library had just installed a new computer system and when I was told to wait to see if the airline found my luggage a notation was made in the old ledger book that they tracked overdues with, but, not in the computer.  After 45 days the computer generates a letter for the magistrate&#039;s office.  A volunteer was doing overdue mailings and mailed the letter with my name on it to the magistrate requesting that a citation be issued.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The library book post caught my attention.  In 1991 an airline lost my luggage, that contained 3 library books.  I waited a few days to see if they would find my bag, and then went to the library to explain what was going on.  I offered to pay for the books, but, these were older books and couldn&#8217;t be replaced, so I was told to wait and see if the airline could find them.  About three weeks later I get a registered letter from the local magistrate with a citation for misdemenor theft because of the library books.  That same day I got a call from the airline telling me that they found my bag.  I take the citation and the books to the library to see what is going on.  The head librarion was shocked about the citation and called the magistrate&#8217;s office to tell them that there was a mistake and could they cancel the citation.  The answer was that once a citation was issued that was it and I had to appear before the magistrate.  The librarion and I went to the magistrate&#8217;s office and I pleaded &#8220;not guilty&#8221; and she testified on my behalf.  I was found &#8220;guilty&#8221; and fined $230 plus $160 for costs.  I had to pay.  Later I found out what happened.  The library had just installed a new computer system and when I was told to wait to see if the airline found my luggage a notation was made in the old ledger book that they tracked overdues with, but, not in the computer.  After 45 days the computer generates a letter for the magistrate&#8217;s office.  A volunteer was doing overdue mailings and mailed the letter with my name on it to the magistrate requesting that a citation be issued.</p>
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