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		By: Robert		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Feb 2012 19:26:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I think the folks at Overlawyered shouldn&#039;t allow people to make personal attacks, by name, directed at other posters.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the folks at Overlawyered shouldn&#8217;t allow people to make personal attacks, by name, directed at other posters.</p>
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		By: DC Matthews		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[DC Matthews]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Feb 2012 17:28:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[NIMBY NIMBY NIMBY .... how dangerous to have homeless people allowed to  survive near where they can get  food and maybe some ER and other limited medical care. 
Separating  what is good for helping the disabled and  unemployed  from actions to protect you from the addicts and other deviants is hard from the ivory towers and takes  effort most  who have discarded people like yesterdays trash aren&#039;t willing to make . 
Imagine being homeless and disabled and trying to stay safe.   As long as developers only build houses many can&#039;t afford without subsidy, as long as people don&#039;t make an effort to separate  the needs  of the unemployed. underemployed, disabled or runaways from the  addicts and deviants  there will be lots of this lots of places  and landlords will 
be unwilling to  assist most becausue of the few. How about asking HUD to count homeless people with physical disability and long term illness.  I ask  how do you help develop programs for people you have made not exist on paper. How about asking  people who have done substance rehab not to be in section8 but supportive housing for 2-5 years  to ensure they maintain sobriety.   I believe AA has a 50%  5 year success rate and its  for those with resources. Places like Salvation Army  have a 30% success rate and people with disabilities often can&#039;t manage in programs supervised by the recently or not so recovered.    Fixing the system that was broken long before it was broke could help  get those who are just not able to be able to get off the street and  then  dealing with the very separate population of those with addictions could happen.     The problem that the free legal and other supports are often better at protecting and assisting deviants than disabled  and  the legal supports on the right  would rather not help at all,  needs to change.

My free legal advocate  did not  help me for along time then got me into only &quot;temp &quot;inaccessible  and for several years and she bothched much and then quit over a big err being exposed , now also again, not  accessible is also affordable and  due to  a  foreclosure to  supplier side rental market and  problems in the Housing Authority and  HUD not willing to  update FMRs to match reality  adn HPRP funds being cut ,  this poverty level cripple who was said to be  too disabled for Voc rehab but not to be left homeless by the state , may be out there again next month.  But not being a lobbied  regional center client  with parental cash means I have no real access via the left and not being monied myself means  the right wont help me or help  do more than  highlight the problems as they affect them.    Many  soldiers are coming home to commit suicide once they see that these broken system and a life of pain and misery is the future  they fought for. Many disabled veterans are now joining many other single disabled adults in the road.  

 As long as NIMBY is  the only response on the right and   lobby and funding streams create the divide on the left, many will not only fall through the cracks , some of us will  continue to be pushed.  

...and then there are those like  Jack who only view and rationalize  the world through their personal wallet..]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NIMBY NIMBY NIMBY &#8230;. how dangerous to have homeless people allowed to  survive near where they can get  food and maybe some ER and other limited medical care.<br />
Separating  what is good for helping the disabled and  unemployed  from actions to protect you from the addicts and other deviants is hard from the ivory towers and takes  effort most  who have discarded people like yesterdays trash aren&#8217;t willing to make .<br />
Imagine being homeless and disabled and trying to stay safe.   As long as developers only build houses many can&#8217;t afford without subsidy, as long as people don&#8217;t make an effort to separate  the needs  of the unemployed. underemployed, disabled or runaways from the  addicts and deviants  there will be lots of this lots of places  and landlords will<br />
be unwilling to  assist most becausue of the few. How about asking HUD to count homeless people with physical disability and long term illness.  I ask  how do you help develop programs for people you have made not exist on paper. How about asking  people who have done substance rehab not to be in section8 but supportive housing for 2-5 years  to ensure they maintain sobriety.   I believe AA has a 50%  5 year success rate and its  for those with resources. Places like Salvation Army  have a 30% success rate and people with disabilities often can&#8217;t manage in programs supervised by the recently or not so recovered.    Fixing the system that was broken long before it was broke could help  get those who are just not able to be able to get off the street and  then  dealing with the very separate population of those with addictions could happen.     The problem that the free legal and other supports are often better at protecting and assisting deviants than disabled  and  the legal supports on the right  would rather not help at all,  needs to change.</p>
<p>My free legal advocate  did not  help me for along time then got me into only &#8220;temp &#8220;inaccessible  and for several years and she bothched much and then quit over a big err being exposed , now also again, not  accessible is also affordable and  due to  a  foreclosure to  supplier side rental market and  problems in the Housing Authority and  HUD not willing to  update FMRs to match reality  adn HPRP funds being cut ,  this poverty level cripple who was said to be  too disabled for Voc rehab but not to be left homeless by the state , may be out there again next month.  But not being a lobbied  regional center client  with parental cash means I have no real access via the left and not being monied myself means  the right wont help me or help  do more than  highlight the problems as they affect them.    Many  soldiers are coming home to commit suicide once they see that these broken system and a life of pain and misery is the future  they fought for. Many disabled veterans are now joining many other single disabled adults in the road.  </p>
<p> As long as NIMBY is  the only response on the right and   lobby and funding streams create the divide on the left, many will not only fall through the cracks , some of us will  continue to be pushed.  </p>
<p>&#8230;and then there are those like  Jack who only view and rationalize  the world through their personal wallet..</p>
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		By: DYSPEPSIA GENERATION &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Un Official: Evicting Homeless Could Violate International Human Rights		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2012 03:38:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[...] Read it. An appointee to the United Nations Human Rights Council has issued a four-page memo warning Sacramento mayor Kevin Johnson that local officials could be violating the human rights of the homeless people living within the city. In the January 23rd dated letter, Catarina De Albuquerque, the Special Rapporteur on the human right to safe drinking water and sanitation for the United Nations human right council, says that the current policy of evicting the homeless from their “tent cities” and denying the homeless with safe access to clean water is, in effect, prohibited discrimination based on their economic and social status. [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Read it. An appointee to the United Nations Human Rights Council has issued a four-page memo warning Sacramento mayor Kevin Johnson that local officials could be violating the human rights of the homeless people living within the city. In the January 23rd dated letter, Catarina De Albuquerque, the Special Rapporteur on the human right to safe drinking water and sanitation for the United Nations human right council, says that the current policy of evicting the homeless from their “tent cities” and denying the homeless with safe access to clean water is, in effect, prohibited discrimination based on their economic and social status. [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: Jack Wilson		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jack Wilson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Feb 2012 14:52:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[If the UN is guaranteeing clean water, sanitation and housing, have we seen the check yet?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the UN is guaranteeing clean water, sanitation and housing, have we seen the check yet?</p>
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		By: Bill H		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bill H]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Feb 2012 04:22:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m not positive I understand- did we sign a treaty, or were we merely a signatory to some convention the UN set up? If it was a treaty, I don&#039;t remember the Senate ratifying it. In any other case, the UN can blow it out. The only international law we commit to as a nation are treaties, everything else is a leftist construct. 

I&#039;m also sort of curious how a body like the UN can individually single out one of our cities in a sovereign state for attention, and our UN Ambassador not read the General Assembly the Riot Act. 

None of that is to say we can&#039;t do better. But there are a number of places around the world that require &#039;naming and shaming&#039; way far and away before Sacramento. The UN would do well to pay attention to, say, Riyadh. Or Pyongyang. Or any number of other garden spots that simply have little to no regard for human rights period.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not positive I understand- did we sign a treaty, or were we merely a signatory to some convention the UN set up? If it was a treaty, I don&#8217;t remember the Senate ratifying it. In any other case, the UN can blow it out. The only international law we commit to as a nation are treaties, everything else is a leftist construct. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m also sort of curious how a body like the UN can individually single out one of our cities in a sovereign state for attention, and our UN Ambassador not read the General Assembly the Riot Act. </p>
<p>None of that is to say we can&#8217;t do better. But there are a number of places around the world that require &#8216;naming and shaming&#8217; way far and away before Sacramento. The UN would do well to pay attention to, say, Riyadh. Or Pyongyang. Or any number of other garden spots that simply have little to no regard for human rights period.</p>
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		By: Calvin A		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Calvin A]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Feb 2012 02:37:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[From: Random U.S. Mayor
To whom it may concern at the U.N.

Subject: Go ____________ yourself

Another reason to stop funding the UN.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From: Random U.S. Mayor<br />
To whom it may concern at the U.N.</p>
<p>Subject: Go ____________ yourself</p>
<p>Another reason to stop funding the UN.</p>
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		By: Hugo S. Cunningham		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hugo S. Cunningham]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Feb 2012 21:47:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The distinction should be made by an accountable government advised by an informed public, not by distant bureaucrats or judiciocrats with nothing to lose from a wrong choice between forbearance for the downtrodden and a liveable society.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The distinction should be made by an accountable government advised by an informed public, not by distant bureaucrats or judiciocrats with nothing to lose from a wrong choice between forbearance for the downtrodden and a liveable society.</p>
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		By: doug		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[doug]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Feb 2012 21:19:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[we can distinguish when the homeless are offered a chance to live somewhere else and and work to better themselves and society and they chose not to.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>we can distinguish when the homeless are offered a chance to live somewhere else and and work to better themselves and society and they chose not to.</p>
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		By: Robert		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Feb 2012 15:58:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[There&#039;s little you can do to make Sacramento any worse. And I am not a fan of the U.N. having seen first-hand their ineffective &quot;peacekeeping&quot; forces.

That being said, how many of us would feel it would be wrong for a tent city in, say, Haiti or Mumbai to be cleared out, when there are very poor people who have no permanent place to go? And what makes the United States any different?

Of course, the &quot;homeless&quot; in the United States are different from the homeless in Haiti;  In many cities, like San Francisco, they are a dangerous nuisance, and not sincere folks who are down on their luck. But how can we distinguish?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s little you can do to make Sacramento any worse. And I am not a fan of the U.N. having seen first-hand their ineffective &#8220;peacekeeping&#8221; forces.</p>
<p>That being said, how many of us would feel it would be wrong for a tent city in, say, Haiti or Mumbai to be cleared out, when there are very poor people who have no permanent place to go? And what makes the United States any different?</p>
<p>Of course, the &#8220;homeless&#8221; in the United States are different from the homeless in Haiti;  In many cities, like San Francisco, they are a dangerous nuisance, and not sincere folks who are down on their luck. But how can we distinguish?</p>
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		By: Richard Nieporent		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Nieporent]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Feb 2012 15:20:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Once again, the UN beclowns itself. The current members of the UN Human Rights Council include such bulwarks of human rights as China, Saudi Arabia, Russia and Cuba.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Once again, the UN beclowns itself. The current members of the UN Human Rights Council include such bulwarks of human rights as China, Saudi Arabia, Russia and Cuba.</p>
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