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		By: PointOfLaw Forum		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[PointOfLaw Forum]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Apr 2012 01:07:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;strong&gt;Around the web, April 11...&lt;/strong&gt;

Epstein on DOJ lawsuit against Apple. [Epstein @ Ricochet] Replaying the Duke Lacrosse case at the New York Times with Patrick Witt&#039;s reputation; and why isn&#039;t there more of a scandal with Yale&#039;s abuse of an already abusive process? [KC......]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Around the web, April 11&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>Epstein on DOJ lawsuit against Apple. [Epstein @ Ricochet] Replaying the Duke Lacrosse case at the New York Times with Patrick Witt&#8217;s reputation; and why isn&#8217;t there more of a scandal with Yale&#8217;s abuse of an already abusive process? [KC&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		By: Melvin H.		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Melvin H.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Mar 2012 15:31:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I would be curious to see this study replicated in largely minority areas, like inner-city New York, Detroit, Chicago, etc. and Los Angeles, San Diego, Honolulu, San Francisco, etc. to see if this also applies the other way.     On the other hand, I wonder if this would even pass &lt;I&gt; Daubert &lt;/I&gt; scrutiny.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would be curious to see this study replicated in largely minority areas, like inner-city New York, Detroit, Chicago, etc. and Los Angeles, San Diego, Honolulu, San Francisco, etc. to see if this also applies the other way.     On the other hand, I wonder if this would even pass <i> Daubert </i> scrutiny.</p>
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		By: MF		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MF]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2012 21:37:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;I love the Psychic Hotline Expert Witness. &lt;/i&gt;

smartdude, I think you just unwittingly (subconsciously?) coined a new acronym for this person, the PHEW!  ;-)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I love the Psychic Hotline Expert Witness. </i></p>
<p>smartdude, I think you just unwittingly (subconsciously?) coined a new acronym for this person, the PHEW!  😉</p>
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		By: Ron Miler		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ron Miler]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2012 18:28:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t view racism as a liberal/conservative issue.   There are, believe it or not, other lenses with which you can view the world.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t view racism as a liberal/conservative issue.   There are, believe it or not, other lenses with which you can view the world.</p>
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		By: Richard Nieporent		</title>
		<link>https://www.overlawyered.com/2012/03/iowa-sued-on-charge-of-subconscious-bias/comment-page-1/#comment-146207</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Nieporent]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2012 17:58:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Many people who have an “unconscious bias” towards blacks are good people who try to consciously and effectively self correct.&lt;/i&gt;

Ron, are you trying to tell us something about yourself? It is obvious that the reason Liberals are constantly accusing others of racism is due to projection on their part.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Many people who have an “unconscious bias” towards blacks are good people who try to consciously and effectively self correct.</i></p>
<p>Ron, are you trying to tell us something about yourself? It is obvious that the reason Liberals are constantly accusing others of racism is due to projection on their part.</p>
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		By: Ron Miler		</title>
		<link>https://www.overlawyered.com/2012/03/iowa-sued-on-charge-of-subconscious-bias/comment-page-1/#comment-146193</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ron Miler]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2012 16:57:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Many people who have an &quot;unconscious bias&quot; towards blacks are good people who try to consciously and effectively self correct.  

I can&#039;t believe I&#039;m struggling to make this point.  You can be a racist and still like some black people.   That&#039;s why I gave you the Bill Russell example.  Obama did not lose the racist vote 100-0.  

I&#039;m amazed you think the election of one man - who,  not for nothing -  is black only because of an antiquated definition of who is black - is so telling of the hearts and, more importantly for this conversation, the subconscious, of the American people.

I agree with you on one point tho: we do have a really poor quality of racists in this country.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many people who have an &#8220;unconscious bias&#8221; towards blacks are good people who try to consciously and effectively self correct.  </p>
<p>I can&#8217;t believe I&#8217;m struggling to make this point.  You can be a racist and still like some black people.   That&#8217;s why I gave you the Bill Russell example.  Obama did not lose the racist vote 100-0.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m amazed you think the election of one man &#8211; who,  not for nothing &#8211;  is black only because of an antiquated definition of who is black &#8211; is so telling of the hearts and, more importantly for this conversation, the subconscious, of the American people.</p>
<p>I agree with you on one point tho: we do have a really poor quality of racists in this country.</p>
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		By: Richard Nieporent		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Nieporent]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2012 16:09:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;It is crazy that you would draw inferences from one black person being able to overcome a bias.&lt;/i&gt;

So how was that possible Ron if “There are tons of studies to support the idea that MOST whites have an unconscious bias towards blacks”? This was not an election for Congress in a majority Black district, but a national election that would allow all of those white racists to vote against him. By what magic was he able to pull this off and not only win, but win with a sizeable majority? 

If Obama had lost you would have insisted that it had nothing to do with his race. Is that right? If one believes that, I got a bridge to sell you in Ithaca (but be careful people keep on jumping off of it).  Not only was Obama able to beat McCain, but he was also able to defeat Hilary! whose coronation as the next President had been choreographed for the last eight years. I guess we just have a really poor quality of racists in this country. They are so dumb that they can’t even figure out which was the Black guy that they were supposed to vote against.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>It is crazy that you would draw inferences from one black person being able to overcome a bias.</i></p>
<p>So how was that possible Ron if “There are tons of studies to support the idea that MOST whites have an unconscious bias towards blacks”? This was not an election for Congress in a majority Black district, but a national election that would allow all of those white racists to vote against him. By what magic was he able to pull this off and not only win, but win with a sizeable majority? </p>
<p>If Obama had lost you would have insisted that it had nothing to do with his race. Is that right? If one believes that, I got a bridge to sell you in Ithaca (but be careful people keep on jumping off of it).  Not only was Obama able to beat McCain, but he was also able to defeat Hilary! whose coronation as the next President had been choreographed for the last eight years. I guess we just have a really poor quality of racists in this country. They are so dumb that they can’t even figure out which was the Black guy that they were supposed to vote against.</p>
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		By: Ron Miler		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ron Miler]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2012 15:12:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It is crazy that you would draw inferences from one black person being able to overcome a bias.    No one is saying that this does not mean that people can&#039;t overcome racism in some cases.  Bill Russell own Boston in the 60s, by all accounts an unbelievably racist town.

There are tons of studies to support the idea that MOST whites have an unconscious bias towards blacks.  Read the studies cited by Malcolm Gladwell in Blink.   You can take a test online if you Google it.  (Find a study that says the opposite.)

I don&#039;t think the fact that Obama is president proves a single thing about racism in America - not overt, subconscious or anything else.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is crazy that you would draw inferences from one black person being able to overcome a bias.    No one is saying that this does not mean that people can&#8217;t overcome racism in some cases.  Bill Russell own Boston in the 60s, by all accounts an unbelievably racist town.</p>
<p>There are tons of studies to support the idea that MOST whites have an unconscious bias towards blacks.  Read the studies cited by Malcolm Gladwell in Blink.   You can take a test online if you Google it.  (Find a study that says the opposite.)</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think the fact that Obama is president proves a single thing about racism in America &#8211; not overt, subconscious or anything else.</p>
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		By: Richard Nieporent		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Nieporent]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2012 14:59:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt; Well right, Richard. Obama is the president. Therefore, there is no racism in America.

    Glad that is resolved.&lt;/i&gt;

Ron, are you really incapable of understanding my comment? I thought you were smarter than that. The article was about subconscious bias not overt bias. The study attempted to show “that &lt;b&gt;most&lt;/b&gt; whites have an unconscious bias against African-Americans”. If that were the case then it would be logically to conclude that a significant number of whites would, without being consciously racist, vote against a Black candidate simple because he was Black. That in no way precludes the fact that there are openly racist whites and for that matter, given the percentage of Blacks who voted for Obama, openly racist Blacks. Now do you understand?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i> Well right, Richard. Obama is the president. Therefore, there is no racism in America.</p>
<p>    Glad that is resolved.</i></p>
<p>Ron, are you really incapable of understanding my comment? I thought you were smarter than that. The article was about subconscious bias not overt bias. The study attempted to show “that <b>most</b> whites have an unconscious bias against African-Americans”. If that were the case then it would be logically to conclude that a significant number of whites would, without being consciously racist, vote against a Black candidate simple because he was Black. That in no way precludes the fact that there are openly racist whites and for that matter, given the percentage of Blacks who voted for Obama, openly racist Blacks. Now do you understand?</p>
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		By: wfjag		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2012 13:33:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@Ron Miler 
Absolutely!  And, all those White Supremacists are congregating in Iowa.  Just look how Pres. Obama did there in the 2008 election cycle:

Obama claims Iowa; Sen. Harkin also wins
USAToday, 11/5/2008
&quot;DES MOINES (AP) — Democrat Barack Obama won Iowa&#039;s seven electoral votes Tuesday, claiming a crucial swing state and the state where precinct caucuses in January put him on the road to the Democratic presidential nomination.&quot;

www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/ia.htm

This proves that, as predicted by Critical Race Theory, to fool everyone, all the racists voted for him!  This way they can keep all the lower paying state jobs for themselves.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Ron Miler<br />
Absolutely!  And, all those White Supremacists are congregating in Iowa.  Just look how Pres. Obama did there in the 2008 election cycle:</p>
<p>Obama claims Iowa; Sen. Harkin also wins<br />
USAToday, 11/5/2008<br />
&#8220;DES MOINES (AP) — Democrat Barack Obama won Iowa&#8217;s seven electoral votes Tuesday, claiming a crucial swing state and the state where precinct caucuses in January put him on the road to the Democratic presidential nomination.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/ia.htm" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/ia.htm</a></p>
<p>This proves that, as predicted by Critical Race Theory, to fool everyone, all the racists voted for him!  This way they can keep all the lower paying state jobs for themselves.</p>
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