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		By: antiredistributionist		</title>
		<link>https://www.overlawyered.com/2012/06/iditarod-musher-sues-knife-maker/comment-page-1/#comment-162518</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[antiredistributionist]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jun 2012 19:19:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[If a gut hook is used for gutting purposes, is the knife held so the hook is facing away from the user?  If so, does using the hook in the manner described increase (a) the likelihood of the lock being released and (b) the likelihood of the user being cut by his own knife?  Is this a foreseeable (mis)use of the knife?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If a gut hook is used for gutting purposes, is the knife held so the hook is facing away from the user?  If so, does using the hook in the manner described increase (a) the likelihood of the lock being released and (b) the likelihood of the user being cut by his own knife?  Is this a foreseeable (mis)use of the knife?</p>
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		By: DensityDuck		</title>
		<link>https://www.overlawyered.com/2012/06/iditarod-musher-sues-knife-maker/comment-page-1/#comment-162498</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[DensityDuck]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jun 2012 16:52:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hm.  From looking at the video, it seems what happened is he was using the gut-hook to cut a line, and in doing so pushed on the back of the blade in such a way as to cause the knife to fold closed.  His grip on the knife had pushed the button that disengaged the lock release  He was holding his finger over the blade slot, and the knife blade cut the finger.

The problem is that &lt;i&gt;the knife behaved as it was designed to do&lt;/i&gt;.  Pushing on the back of the blade when the lock release button is pressed is &lt;i&gt;supposed&lt;/i&gt; to make the knife close.  And this isn&#039;t some non-obvious or non-intuitive piece of operation.  This is &quot;if you put the car in reverse and take your foot off the brake it will move backward, so make sure nobody&#039;s behind you.&quot;  This is &quot;if you fold the safety guard out of the way and shove a board into the saw with your bare hands, you might lose fingers&quot;.

Yeah, this really sucks and it&#039;s not fun, but, well...pay attention next time.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hm.  From looking at the video, it seems what happened is he was using the gut-hook to cut a line, and in doing so pushed on the back of the blade in such a way as to cause the knife to fold closed.  His grip on the knife had pushed the button that disengaged the lock release  He was holding his finger over the blade slot, and the knife blade cut the finger.</p>
<p>The problem is that <i>the knife behaved as it was designed to do</i>.  Pushing on the back of the blade when the lock release button is pressed is <i>supposed</i> to make the knife close.  And this isn&#8217;t some non-obvious or non-intuitive piece of operation.  This is &#8220;if you put the car in reverse and take your foot off the brake it will move backward, so make sure nobody&#8217;s behind you.&#8221;  This is &#8220;if you fold the safety guard out of the way and shove a board into the saw with your bare hands, you might lose fingers&#8221;.</p>
<p>Yeah, this really sucks and it&#8217;s not fun, but, well&#8230;pay attention next time.</p>
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		By: E-Bell		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[E-Bell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jun 2012 12:12:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;MF&lt;/b&gt;:  &lt;i&gt;This is clearly a case where ‘loser pays’ would keep this case from ever getting to a courtroom.&lt;/i&gt;

Interestingly enough, Alaska is the only state with a semblance of a loser-pays law.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>MF</b>:  <i>This is clearly a case where ‘loser pays’ would keep this case from ever getting to a courtroom.</i></p>
<p>Interestingly enough, Alaska is the only state with a semblance of a loser-pays law.</p>
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		By: Mannie		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mannie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jun 2012 14:59:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The knife in the video was a lockback folder with a gut hook at the back of the blade.  I&#039;ve used folding knives of all sorts, including lockbacks for some sixty years.  I&#039;ve never had a lockback close on my hand.

I note a few points.  The gut hook is on the back of the blade,  a common feature.  To use the gut gook, the blade is loaded &quot;the wrong way,&quot; against the lock.  If the lock fails, the blade will tend to close, and your fingers are in the way of the closing blade. 

 Several things will affect the locking mechanism.  The angles of the locking recess and lockback hooks need to be nearly square.  A slight undercut will make the lock more secure, but harder to unlock.  Dirt or pocket lint in the recess will inhibit locking.  Wear will make the hookup less secure.  The lockback release should be slightly recessed, but that makes it more cumbersome to operate, particularly with gloves on.

Using a gut hook as a line cutter is a fairly common action.  This is the first time I&#039;ve heard it considered dangerous.

Playing with the cheap lockback that I use for a letter opener, I found it surprisingly easy to inadvertently trip the release when holding the knife like Seavey showed on the vid.

This is why I prefer a fixed blade knife.  In a folder, I prefer one with a separate hook blade.

I think Seavey has a colorable case.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The knife in the video was a lockback folder with a gut hook at the back of the blade.  I&#8217;ve used folding knives of all sorts, including lockbacks for some sixty years.  I&#8217;ve never had a lockback close on my hand.</p>
<p>I note a few points.  The gut hook is on the back of the blade,  a common feature.  To use the gut gook, the blade is loaded &#8220;the wrong way,&#8221; against the lock.  If the lock fails, the blade will tend to close, and your fingers are in the way of the closing blade. </p>
<p> Several things will affect the locking mechanism.  The angles of the locking recess and lockback hooks need to be nearly square.  A slight undercut will make the lock more secure, but harder to unlock.  Dirt or pocket lint in the recess will inhibit locking.  Wear will make the hookup less secure.  The lockback release should be slightly recessed, but that makes it more cumbersome to operate, particularly with gloves on.</p>
<p>Using a gut hook as a line cutter is a fairly common action.  This is the first time I&#8217;ve heard it considered dangerous.</p>
<p>Playing with the cheap lockback that I use for a letter opener, I found it surprisingly easy to inadvertently trip the release when holding the knife like Seavey showed on the vid.</p>
<p>This is why I prefer a fixed blade knife.  In a folder, I prefer one with a separate hook blade.</p>
<p>I think Seavey has a colorable case.</p>
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		By: Swift		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Swift]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jun 2012 11:12:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Nicholas:  when reading the comments here, you have to realize that you&#039;ve left regular earth and have entered into the through the looking glass world of libertarian free market nirvana where the heisenberg reflexivity of torts principle applies:  the mere act of observing something on overlawyered means that it&#039;s an example of a ridiculous lawsuit because otherwise why would it be on overlawyered?  furthermore, clearly it does not belong in a court, because if so many commenters here can make such definite conclusions based on little information, then certainly why should a judge or jury waste its time based on more information?   but don&#039;t worry--if you argue too much here, you&#039;ll be sure to get one of two standard responses here.  One is &quot;At overlawyered, we don&#039;t comment on individual cases--we just put them out there (and heavily imply things about them).&quot; The other is &quot;This is a forum for like minded people -- if you don&#039;t like it, make your own forum.&quot;  I&#039;m no fan of lawywers or our overlawyered system, but these actual responses which I have received from this forum are worse.

ras: is it up for me too to determine if my supermarket meat is contaminated with salmonella?  after all, i have decades of experience eating things.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nicholas:  when reading the comments here, you have to realize that you&#8217;ve left regular earth and have entered into the through the looking glass world of libertarian free market nirvana where the heisenberg reflexivity of torts principle applies:  the mere act of observing something on overlawyered means that it&#8217;s an example of a ridiculous lawsuit because otherwise why would it be on overlawyered?  furthermore, clearly it does not belong in a court, because if so many commenters here can make such definite conclusions based on little information, then certainly why should a judge or jury waste its time based on more information?   but don&#8217;t worry&#8211;if you argue too much here, you&#8217;ll be sure to get one of two standard responses here.  One is &#8220;At overlawyered, we don&#8217;t comment on individual cases&#8211;we just put them out there (and heavily imply things about them).&#8221; The other is &#8220;This is a forum for like minded people &#8212; if you don&#8217;t like it, make your own forum.&#8221;  I&#8217;m no fan of lawywers or our overlawyered system, but these actual responses which I have received from this forum are worse.</p>
<p>ras: is it up for me too to determine if my supermarket meat is contaminated with salmonella?  after all, i have decades of experience eating things.</p>
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		By: gitarcarver		</title>
		<link>https://www.overlawyered.com/2012/06/iditarod-musher-sues-knife-maker/comment-page-1/#comment-162151</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[gitarcarver]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jun 2012 03:41:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[For anyone who wishes to see it, here is a video of Mitch Seavey, the injury, the actual knife, and what he says what happened.  

http://vimeo.com/42659516]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For anyone who wishes to see it, here is a video of Mitch Seavey, the injury, the actual knife, and what he says what happened.  </p>
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		By: MF		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MF]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jun 2012 21:20:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Nicholas, I think you read a different article than I did.  I saw a plaintiff&#039;s attorney make claims that he would have to make in order to win his case, but I read nothing that actually leads me to believe those claims.  I certainly feel bad that Mr. Seavey suffered the injury, but I don&#039;t believe the knife manufacturer, and certainly not the seller, did anything wrong.  The seller??? Come on!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nicholas, I think you read a different article than I did.  I saw a plaintiff&#8217;s attorney make claims that he would have to make in order to win his case, but I read nothing that actually leads me to believe those claims.  I certainly feel bad that Mr. Seavey suffered the injury, but I don&#8217;t believe the knife manufacturer, and certainly not the seller, did anything wrong.  The seller??? Come on!</p>
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		By: Nicholas		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nicholas]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jun 2012 18:07:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[MF, ras,

Perhaps, but it all lies with whether or not the product was designed negligently, right? Nothing in this story says that it wasn&#039;t. The details given strongly suggest that the knife had a safety design flaw. When that is the case, then a profitting entity has a duty of care.

Sure, I think loser pays would be reasonable reform.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MF, ras,</p>
<p>Perhaps, but it all lies with whether or not the product was designed negligently, right? Nothing in this story says that it wasn&#8217;t. The details given strongly suggest that the knife had a safety design flaw. When that is the case, then a profitting entity has a duty of care.</p>
<p>Sure, I think loser pays would be reasonable reform.</p>
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		By: ras		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ras]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jun 2012 02:41:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s up to the workman to evaluate his own tools and to use the right one for the job. This guy didn&#039;t; he used the wrong kind of knife in the wrong way. 

Perhaps tool ownership should be licensed. We could have professional authorizers and standardized tests and penalties for no-compliance and everything, That way, no one would ever again try to butter their bread with a poorly-designed chainsaw because of some evil (foreign, easily sued) supplier.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s up to the workman to evaluate his own tools and to use the right one for the job. This guy didn&#8217;t; he used the wrong kind of knife in the wrong way. </p>
<p>Perhaps tool ownership should be licensed. We could have professional authorizers and standardized tests and penalties for no-compliance and everything, That way, no one would ever again try to butter their bread with a poorly-designed chainsaw because of some evil (foreign, easily sued) supplier.</p>
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		By: MF		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MF]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2012 22:23:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Nicholas, I think the point is that most all readers of Overlawyered would believe that this is a case of a ridiculous claim that has no business even getting to a jury to decide.  This is clearly a case where &#039;loser pays&#039; would keep this case from ever getting to a courtroom.  A lawyer is simply casting out a wild line in the hope of catching a sucker.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nicholas, I think the point is that most all readers of Overlawyered would believe that this is a case of a ridiculous claim that has no business even getting to a jury to decide.  This is clearly a case where &#8216;loser pays&#8217; would keep this case from ever getting to a courtroom.  A lawyer is simply casting out a wild line in the hope of catching a sucker.</p>
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