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	Comments on: 33 questions @ $31.8 million—That’s a lot of apples	</title>
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		By: James Maxeiner		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[James Maxeiner]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2012 17:38:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Titus asks what do I want?

What do I want? Only  that which we expect of others abroad:  &quot;The judgment should be accompanied by a reasoned explanation of the essential factual, legal, and evidentiary basis of the decision. Principle 23.2 ALI/UNIDROIT Principles of Transnational Civil Procedure, American Law Institute and UNIDROIT (2004)&quot; See my post at http://www.pointoflaw.com/archives/2012/08/apple-v-samsung-part-i.php 

Titus is right &quot;that the entire point of the common-law legal system is to produce a question that can be answered “yes” or “no” by a jury.&quot; I assume Titus means historic common law pleading. BUT that was a single question of fact. At common law, parties were allowed to pose only one question of law to the judge OR one question of fact to the jury. They had to agree on which. The jury had no role in applying law; the parties did that by choosing the form of action. In 1848 in Field&#039;s Code we abandoned common law pleading. We have come a long way from the primitive principle of making one point determinative, but we have  yet successfully to incorporate the jury into the systems that followed. Applying law is not simple; pretending that it is, produces injustice.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Titus asks what do I want?</p>
<p>What do I want? Only  that which we expect of others abroad:  &#8220;The judgment should be accompanied by a reasoned explanation of the essential factual, legal, and evidentiary basis of the decision. Principle 23.2 ALI/UNIDROIT Principles of Transnational Civil Procedure, American Law Institute and UNIDROIT (2004)&#8221; See my post at <a href="http://www.pointoflaw.com/archives/2012/08/apple-v-samsung-part-i.php" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.pointoflaw.com/archives/2012/08/apple-v-samsung-part-i.php</a> </p>
<p>Titus is right &#8220;that the entire point of the common-law legal system is to produce a question that can be answered “yes” or “no” by a jury.&#8221; I assume Titus means historic common law pleading. BUT that was a single question of fact. At common law, parties were allowed to pose only one question of law to the judge OR one question of fact to the jury. They had to agree on which. The jury had no role in applying law; the parties did that by choosing the form of action. In 1848 in Field&#8217;s Code we abandoned common law pleading. We have come a long way from the primitive principle of making one point determinative, but we have  yet successfully to incorporate the jury into the systems that followed. Applying law is not simple; pretending that it is, produces injustice.</p>
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		By: AMcA		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AMcA]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2012 14:59:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@Ron - you&#039;re right, the parties want biased jurors.  But the judge, who is the ultimate arbiter of whether persons are biased enough to be excluded, is definitely looking for unbiased jurors.  The parties like to see a biased juror slip through.  The judge doesn&#039;t.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Ron &#8211; you&#8217;re right, the parties want biased jurors.  But the judge, who is the ultimate arbiter of whether persons are biased enough to be excluded, is definitely looking for unbiased jurors.  The parties like to see a biased juror slip through.  The judge doesn&#8217;t.</p>
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		By: Hugo S. Cunningham		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hugo S. Cunningham]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2012 14:00:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I suspect our guest blogger wanted a paper trail for appeal if the jury got a fact wrong, but under the USA&#039;s Seventh Amendment, appeals on a jury&#039;s determination of fact are not allowed.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suspect our guest blogger wanted a paper trail for appeal if the jury got a fact wrong, but under the USA&#8217;s Seventh Amendment, appeals on a jury&#8217;s determination of fact are not allowed.</p>
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		By: Titus		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2012 13:14:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;For $31.8 million per question, you might think that Samsung is entitled to more than a simple yes/no.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

What, precisely, sort of question should the jury have answered? &quot;Describe how each of the items below makes you feel?&quot; Juries &lt;i&gt;always&lt;/i&gt; answered yes/no questions: the entire point of the common-law legal system is to produce a question that can be answered &quot;yes&quot; or &quot;no&quot; by a jury. Maybe there are inconsistencies with that many special interrogatories, but I certainly wouldn&#039;t want to try and make the jury answer a question in some way other than yes or no.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>For $31.8 million per question, you might think that Samsung is entitled to more than a simple yes/no.</p></blockquote>
<p>What, precisely, sort of question should the jury have answered? &#8220;Describe how each of the items below makes you feel?&#8221; Juries <i>always</i> answered yes/no questions: the entire point of the common-law legal system is to produce a question that can be answered &#8220;yes&#8221; or &#8220;no&#8221; by a jury. Maybe there are inconsistencies with that many special interrogatories, but I certainly wouldn&#8217;t want to try and make the jury answer a question in some way other than yes or no.</p>
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		By: Ron Miller		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ron Miller]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2012 22:44:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;If the foreman was giving information to the other jurors, and they were treating him as an expert witness on this topic, wouldn’t that be inappropriate?&quot;

Firs, it is not a conflict as someone suggested.  A criminal lawyer can serve on the jury of a criminal trial.   No one is excluded for having knowledge and using that knowledge in deliberations.  Jurors bring with them their life experiences.  

AMcA, no one is really looking for unbiased jurors, right?  It is an adversarial system.  You want potential jurors who you think might be symptomatic to your case.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If the foreman was giving information to the other jurors, and they were treating him as an expert witness on this topic, wouldn’t that be inappropriate?&#8221;</p>
<p>Firs, it is not a conflict as someone suggested.  A criminal lawyer can serve on the jury of a criminal trial.   No one is excluded for having knowledge and using that knowledge in deliberations.  Jurors bring with them their life experiences.  </p>
<p>AMcA, no one is really looking for unbiased jurors, right?  It is an adversarial system.  You want potential jurors who you think might be symptomatic to your case.</p>
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		By: wfjag		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2012 20:12:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot; leaving America with higher prices and inferior products from a handful of monopolists.&quot;

Hugo, are you aluding to the fact that the logic chips, and most of the advanced electronics now come from Asia?  If so, there&#039;s been little evidence of Congress (or executive agencies broadly exercising rule-making powers) attempting to make the US more competitive in cutting edge technologies in which we once led.

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; leaving America with higher prices and inferior products from a handful of monopolists.&#8221;</p>
<p>Hugo, are you aluding to the fact that the logic chips, and most of the advanced electronics now come from Asia?  If so, there&#8217;s been little evidence of Congress (or executive agencies broadly exercising rule-making powers) attempting to make the US more competitive in cutting edge technologies in which we once led.</p>
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		By: AMcA		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AMcA]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2012 18:58:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I guarantee you the fact the juror held a patent was well  known to everyone.  And no, we don&#039;t look for diversity of experience on a jury, or counter-balancing viewpoints.  We look for people who are unbiased.  And the court probably made a finding that this juror was unbiased, because I&#039;m sure one side (if I were the defendant, I would have) objected and tried to get him struck for cause.  

And his use of his knowledge of patents being useful to leading the jury through the process?  The instructions explicitly tell jurors they may bring their experience in life with them into deliberations.

Barring evidence of actual misconduct (and we&#039;d probably have some hint of that by now) the patent-holding juror is not going to be a basis for overturning the verdict.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guarantee you the fact the juror held a patent was well  known to everyone.  And no, we don&#8217;t look for diversity of experience on a jury, or counter-balancing viewpoints.  We look for people who are unbiased.  And the court probably made a finding that this juror was unbiased, because I&#8217;m sure one side (if I were the defendant, I would have) objected and tried to get him struck for cause.  </p>
<p>And his use of his knowledge of patents being useful to leading the jury through the process?  The instructions explicitly tell jurors they may bring their experience in life with them into deliberations.</p>
<p>Barring evidence of actual misconduct (and we&#8217;d probably have some hint of that by now) the patent-holding juror is not going to be a basis for overturning the verdict.</p>
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		By: AMcA		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AMcA]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2012 18:53:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[That many special interrogatories and there&#039;s a very real chance that there&#039;s something inconsistent in there that will require retrial.  Special interrogatories are a blessing and curse - especially when there are 33 of them.  The possibilities for disruptive interaction between the answers multiply exponentially.  Hope they had a good reason for asking each and every one of them . . . .]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That many special interrogatories and there&#8217;s a very real chance that there&#8217;s something inconsistent in there that will require retrial.  Special interrogatories are a blessing and curse &#8211; especially when there are 33 of them.  The possibilities for disruptive interaction between the answers multiply exponentially.  Hope they had a good reason for asking each and every one of them . . . .</p>
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		By: Hugo S. Cunningham		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hugo S. Cunningham]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2012 15:47:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&#062;And just how will the Court of Appeals review this verdict?

Your argument (one I sympathize with) unfortunately is with the Seventh Amendment to the US Constitution:

&#062;In Suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise re-examined in any Court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.
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In one of their greatest 20th Century decisions &lt;i&gt;New York Times Co. v. Sullivan&lt;/i&gt;, the US Supreme Court recognized a conflict between Seventh Amendment jury supremacy and the free press guarantee of the First Amendment:  partisan juries could shut down opposition newspapers with ruinous and unjust libel verdicts.  The USSC correctly decided that freedom of the press was the more important of the two conflicting Constitutional rights.  

Congress has the authority to revise patent law, eg by restricting or abolishing software patents.  Maybe they will, if an unbridled lawsuit culture drives software innovation and product development abroad, leaving America with higher prices and inferior products from a handful of monopolists.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;And just how will the Court of Appeals review this verdict?</p>
<p>Your argument (one I sympathize with) unfortunately is with the Seventh Amendment to the US Constitution:</p>
<p>&gt;In Suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise re-examined in any Court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.<br />
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<p>In one of their greatest 20th Century decisions <i>New York Times Co. v. Sullivan</i>, the US Supreme Court recognized a conflict between Seventh Amendment jury supremacy and the free press guarantee of the First Amendment:  partisan juries could shut down opposition newspapers with ruinous and unjust libel verdicts.  The USSC correctly decided that freedom of the press was the more important of the two conflicting Constitutional rights.  </p>
<p>Congress has the authority to revise patent law, eg by restricting or abolishing software patents.  Maybe they will, if an unbridled lawsuit culture drives software innovation and product development abroad, leaving America with higher prices and inferior products from a handful of monopolists.</p>
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		By: Hugo S. Cunningham		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hugo S. Cunningham]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[Don wrote:

&#062;I was curious about the actions of the jury foreman who admitted that he led the jury through these issues because of his experience as a patent holder.
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Surely this is a blatant conflict of interest?  How did such a person get seated on the jury?

The site of the trial was appropriate, most likely to draw from a relatively computer-literate jury pool.  But apparently, while having a patent holder, the jury did not have a representative of those who decry the destructive impact of our current patent system on software development.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don wrote:</p>
<p>&gt;I was curious about the actions of the jury foreman who admitted that he led the jury through these issues because of his experience as a patent holder.<br />
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<p>Surely this is a blatant conflict of interest?  How did such a person get seated on the jury?</p>
<p>The site of the trial was appropriate, most likely to draw from a relatively computer-literate jury pool.  But apparently, while having a patent holder, the jury did not have a representative of those who decry the destructive impact of our current patent system on software development.</p>
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