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	Comments on: Zimmerman lawyer: &#8220;Stand Your Ground&#8221; isn&#8217;t our defense	</title>
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		By: William Nuesslein		</title>
		<link>https://www.overlawyered.com/2012/08/zimmerman-lawyer-stand-your-ground-isnt-defense/comment-page-1/#comment-172293</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[William Nuesslein]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2012 12:38:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@aaa The basis for an arrest would be that Zimmerman had a duty to retreat from from a likely violent situation. A Stand Your Ground Defense would obviate that duty. But Mr. Zimmerman had a right to use the sidewalk and there is no evidence that Zimmerman approached Martin brandishing his gun. An assumption that Martin would jump him and bash his head into the ground  is not reasonable.  Why in the world would Zimmerman shoot Martin willy-nilly when the police were on their way at his request? Only those with a Harvard professor&#039;s view of the world would believe that.

The gun came into play when spotted by Martin when Martin was on top of Zimmerman. How does Zimmerman retreat? So Stand Your Ground as a defense does not apply. 

There is a procedure aspect to the Florida law to mitigate the risk of impoverishment in defending an otherwise reasonable use of a firearm. The law failed in this regard for Mr. Zimmerman. There was a similar miscarriage of justice in the Anderson case when politics trumped justice.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@aaa The basis for an arrest would be that Zimmerman had a duty to retreat from from a likely violent situation. A Stand Your Ground Defense would obviate that duty. But Mr. Zimmerman had a right to use the sidewalk and there is no evidence that Zimmerman approached Martin brandishing his gun. An assumption that Martin would jump him and bash his head into the ground  is not reasonable.  Why in the world would Zimmerman shoot Martin willy-nilly when the police were on their way at his request? Only those with a Harvard professor&#8217;s view of the world would believe that.</p>
<p>The gun came into play when spotted by Martin when Martin was on top of Zimmerman. How does Zimmerman retreat? So Stand Your Ground as a defense does not apply. </p>
<p>There is a procedure aspect to the Florida law to mitigate the risk of impoverishment in defending an otherwise reasonable use of a firearm. The law failed in this regard for Mr. Zimmerman. There was a similar miscarriage of justice in the Anderson case when politics trumped justice.</p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2012 11:37:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@William Nuesslein The police released him as at first arguing that Stand Your Ground applies and he can not he investigated. If it would not be for public outcry over that, there would be no prosecution and no &quot;Stand Your Ground does not apply after all&quot; conclusion.

So there was clear attempt to abuse Stand Your Ground and almost passed. It did not passed not because of something inherent in the system, but only because Trayvon parents called journalists and those wrote angry articles. No public outcry back then, no court today.

The problem of this case is how the police and Zimmerman tried to use that law. And since the law does not apply in the end, the word &quot;abuse&quot; is not that bad.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@William Nuesslein The police released him as at first arguing that Stand Your Ground applies and he can not he investigated. If it would not be for public outcry over that, there would be no prosecution and no &#8220;Stand Your Ground does not apply after all&#8221; conclusion.</p>
<p>So there was clear attempt to abuse Stand Your Ground and almost passed. It did not passed not because of something inherent in the system, but only because Trayvon parents called journalists and those wrote angry articles. No public outcry back then, no court today.</p>
<p>The problem of this case is how the police and Zimmerman tried to use that law. And since the law does not apply in the end, the word &#8220;abuse&#8221; is not that bad.</p>
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		By: William Nuesslein		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[William Nuesslein]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2012 11:06:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I recommend that asdfasdf look again at the interview. Mr. Olson point is that Stand Your Ground does not apply in the Martin/Zimmerman case. So how was it be abused? Are you a graduate from Harvard?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I recommend that asdfasdf look again at the interview. Mr. Olson point is that Stand Your Ground does not apply in the Martin/Zimmerman case. So how was it be abused? Are you a graduate from Harvard?</p>
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		By: asdfasdf		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2012 04:43:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[If the test of the value of any individual right is whether that right has ever been misused, then there would be no individual rights.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the test of the value of any individual right is whether that right has ever been misused, then there would be no individual rights.</p>
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		By: Ron Miller		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ron Miller]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2012 14:51:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Way to stand your ground, Walter.  Get it?  Stand your ground?  What?  Not funny?  Oh.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Way to stand your ground, Walter.  Get it?  Stand your ground?  What?  Not funny?  Oh.</p>
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		By: William Nuesslein		</title>
		<link>https://www.overlawyered.com/2012/08/zimmerman-lawyer-stand-your-ground-isnt-defense/comment-page-1/#comment-172258</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[William Nuesslein]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2012 13:20:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Mr. Olson&#039;s interview was very instructive. But the newsman was horribly biased. He put the question of having an unarmed youth losing his life to a self appointed community watchman, but he left out the fact that the youth was strong enough to take control of Mr. Zimmeran and bash Mr. Zimmerman&#039;s head into the sidewalk. That aspect of the case continues to be neglected.

Professor Ogletree of Harvard says that Zimmerman hunted down Martin. If so why would Martin assault a man brandishing a gun? A man of average intelligence would find Mr. Zimmerman&#039;s claim that his gun was holstered until Martin saw it to make more sense. But then again Ogletree teaches at Harvard so little is expected of him. I do expect more from Bloomberg news.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Olson&#8217;s interview was very instructive. But the newsman was horribly biased. He put the question of having an unarmed youth losing his life to a self appointed community watchman, but he left out the fact that the youth was strong enough to take control of Mr. Zimmeran and bash Mr. Zimmerman&#8217;s head into the sidewalk. That aspect of the case continues to be neglected.</p>
<p>Professor Ogletree of Harvard says that Zimmerman hunted down Martin. If so why would Martin assault a man brandishing a gun? A man of average intelligence would find Mr. Zimmerman&#8217;s claim that his gun was holstered until Martin saw it to make more sense. But then again Ogletree teaches at Harvard so little is expected of him. I do expect more from Bloomberg news.</p>
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