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		By: Paul		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Apr 2013 21:24:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;loose usage of the word terrorist is bad form&quot;

Look, all the ad hominem aside, it sounds like you&#039;re basically saying it&#039;s okay for people to attempt mass murder over politics and then go on to become a professor and judge without ever publicly expressing anything that sounds like sincere remorse. Am I right?

Whereas it&#039;s very, very wrong of me to call her a terrorist?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;loose usage of the word terrorist is bad form&#8221;</p>
<p>Look, all the ad hominem aside, it sounds like you&#8217;re basically saying it&#8217;s okay for people to attempt mass murder over politics and then go on to become a professor and judge without ever publicly expressing anything that sounds like sincere remorse. Am I right?</p>
<p>Whereas it&#8217;s very, very wrong of me to call her a terrorist?</p>
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		By: J		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[J]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Apr 2013 19:41:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Tina-  Book publication or not, you were careless (or clueless?) enough to spell her name incorrectly multiple times in your post.  Maybe you should try reading your own words a bit harder?  Or thinking more when you write them?  You said: &quot;Professors often maintain their perks, as if they’ve been granted a principality, not a job.&quot;  The word &quot;maintain&quot; implies that she is still granted those perks, even when she is not teaching.

Your initial post about her, especially the first paragraph is nearly verbatim from her Wikipedia page.  So my observation that you seem like a giddy schoolchild still holds true.  Maybe I&#039;ll change it to a giddy child with a clear agenda.  

Why didn&#039;t I do a simple Google search on you and your self-anointed expertise?  Sorry, I&#039;m just not that into you.

Also, your loose usage of the word terrorist is bad form.  And how would you know if she is unrepentant about her past?  Not everything needs to be public to be true or real. 

So you&#039;re back to throwing insults because I choose not to disclose my name.  Again, you never answered why are you picking on lil&#039; ol&#039; me and not Joe, Dick and Harry who have posted anonymously here as well?  Here&#039;s the deal Tina, unlike you I&#039;m not really into trying to get my &quot;15 minutes.&quot;  I value my privacy.  The part that I still don&#039;t understand though is, because I am pretty clearly a private person, why you have such urgency in getting my name?  It&#039;s not going to get you anywhere.  There&#039;s very little about me out there in the google world.  You will not be able to put a face with the name, so to speak.  

So why should I &quot;grow a spine?&quot;  So you can start a vendetta against me as well, for saying that one of my professors with a less than stellar past was a respectable teacher?  If your purpose is anything other than trying to harm my name, please inform me why I should forgo my privacy for your desires.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tina-  Book publication or not, you were careless (or clueless?) enough to spell her name incorrectly multiple times in your post.  Maybe you should try reading your own words a bit harder?  Or thinking more when you write them?  You said: &#8220;Professors often maintain their perks, as if they’ve been granted a principality, not a job.&#8221;  The word &#8220;maintain&#8221; implies that she is still granted those perks, even when she is not teaching.</p>
<p>Your initial post about her, especially the first paragraph is nearly verbatim from her Wikipedia page.  So my observation that you seem like a giddy schoolchild still holds true.  Maybe I&#8217;ll change it to a giddy child with a clear agenda.  </p>
<p>Why didn&#8217;t I do a simple Google search on you and your self-anointed expertise?  Sorry, I&#8217;m just not that into you.</p>
<p>Also, your loose usage of the word terrorist is bad form.  And how would you know if she is unrepentant about her past?  Not everything needs to be public to be true or real. </p>
<p>So you&#8217;re back to throwing insults because I choose not to disclose my name.  Again, you never answered why are you picking on lil&#8217; ol&#8217; me and not Joe, Dick and Harry who have posted anonymously here as well?  Here&#8217;s the deal Tina, unlike you I&#8217;m not really into trying to get my &#8220;15 minutes.&#8221;  I value my privacy.  The part that I still don&#8217;t understand though is, because I am pretty clearly a private person, why you have such urgency in getting my name?  It&#8217;s not going to get you anywhere.  There&#8217;s very little about me out there in the google world.  You will not be able to put a face with the name, so to speak.  </p>
<p>So why should I &#8220;grow a spine?&#8221;  So you can start a vendetta against me as well, for saying that one of my professors with a less than stellar past was a respectable teacher?  If your purpose is anything other than trying to harm my name, please inform me why I should forgo my privacy for your desires.</p>
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		By: Tina Trent		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tina Trent]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Apr 2013 13:05:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Try reading harder.

I never said that she wasn&#039;t currently teaching -- I stated what was written on the school&#039;s website about her official status and made a general comment about academia.  The rest is your extraordinarily long projection.

Try casual googling before accusing.

Funny, wasn&#039;t it . . . me . . . who just republished a book about the Weather Underground?  Oh yeah, it was.  So I didn&#039;t just find Ms. Rankin on Wikipedia.  

Try not being ignorant of history.

Ms. Rankin was a co-conspirator in a bomb plot that, had it been successful, would have murdered and maimed hundreds of innocent soldiers and their girlfriends.  As respected historian Harvey Klehr has observed, &quot;[t]he only reason they were not guilty of mass murder is mere incompetence.  I don&#039;t know what sort of defense that is.&quot; 

Try growing a spine.  I challenge you to put your name to these absurd comments.  For, perhaps then your law professors can offer you some remedial intervention, because if this is an example of the research and advocacy skills they imparted to you, their teaching skills don&#039;t shine any brighter than their ability to discern the ethical problem of granting academic honors to unrepentant terrorists.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Try reading harder.</p>
<p>I never said that she wasn&#8217;t currently teaching &#8212; I stated what was written on the school&#8217;s website about her official status and made a general comment about academia.  The rest is your extraordinarily long projection.</p>
<p>Try casual googling before accusing.</p>
<p>Funny, wasn&#8217;t it . . . me . . . who just republished a book about the Weather Underground?  Oh yeah, it was.  So I didn&#8217;t just find Ms. Rankin on Wikipedia.  </p>
<p>Try not being ignorant of history.</p>
<p>Ms. Rankin was a co-conspirator in a bomb plot that, had it been successful, would have murdered and maimed hundreds of innocent soldiers and their girlfriends.  As respected historian Harvey Klehr has observed, &#8220;[t]he only reason they were not guilty of mass murder is mere incompetence.  I don&#8217;t know what sort of defense that is.&#8221; </p>
<p>Try growing a spine.  I challenge you to put your name to these absurd comments.  For, perhaps then your law professors can offer you some remedial intervention, because if this is an example of the research and advocacy skills they imparted to you, their teaching skills don&#8217;t shine any brighter than their ability to discern the ethical problem of granting academic honors to unrepentant terrorists.</p>
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		By: J		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[J]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Apr 2013 01:53:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Tina- Your comparison is faulty, on all counts.  First, in your assumptions that she&#039;s not actually working and just taking advantage of the &quot;perks.&quot; Which you conveniently failed to address, even though you took the time to personally insult me. 

Second, in your attempt to equate Ted Bundy with Eleanor Stein.  I do not condone what she may have done in her youth, but to put her on the same page as a serial killer and necrophiliac who went out and hunted his numerous victims? You really think that&#039;s a reasonable comparison? That&#039;s almost comical.  And comparing each doing their job well? Please, a crisis hotline counselor that was &quot;reportedly&quot; great and a law school professor that you have been provided with firsthand knowledge about? No dice lady. Do I even need to state the obvious? Besides the fact that there&#039;s a good chance I wouldn&#039;t be here to share this wonderful discussion with you if I&#039;d spent that kind of time with Mr. Bundy, the face-to-face interaction and intellect needed of a law school professor, to a class of law school students is nowhere near comparable to a psychopath honing his skills with the most vulnerable of people during a crisis.  It&#039;s like comparing apples to bunnies. And I must say, your initial description of Eleanor Stein sounds like it&#039;s ripped right off her Wikipedia page. Makes me think you discovered who she was 5 minutes before making your post, and like a giddy school child, felt the need to share your discovery with the world.

Finally, nice job for criticizing me for being anonymous. Because  &quot;Joe&quot; and &quot;Ed&quot; and &quot;MattS&quot; aren&#039;t anonymous either...I&#039;m so sorry for having to happen upon this web page by chance on a google search and wanting to do a public service by correcting a factual inaccuracy. I did not realize that I was required to set up a blog with my &quot;real name&quot; just like you, so that you find my comments acceptable. I&#039;ll keep that in mind for next time. Would you like my address and ss# as well?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tina- Your comparison is faulty, on all counts.  First, in your assumptions that she&#8217;s not actually working and just taking advantage of the &#8220;perks.&#8221; Which you conveniently failed to address, even though you took the time to personally insult me. </p>
<p>Second, in your attempt to equate Ted Bundy with Eleanor Stein.  I do not condone what she may have done in her youth, but to put her on the same page as a serial killer and necrophiliac who went out and hunted his numerous victims? You really think that&#8217;s a reasonable comparison? That&#8217;s almost comical.  And comparing each doing their job well? Please, a crisis hotline counselor that was &#8220;reportedly&#8221; great and a law school professor that you have been provided with firsthand knowledge about? No dice lady. Do I even need to state the obvious? Besides the fact that there&#8217;s a good chance I wouldn&#8217;t be here to share this wonderful discussion with you if I&#8217;d spent that kind of time with Mr. Bundy, the face-to-face interaction and intellect needed of a law school professor, to a class of law school students is nowhere near comparable to a psychopath honing his skills with the most vulnerable of people during a crisis.  It&#8217;s like comparing apples to bunnies. And I must say, your initial description of Eleanor Stein sounds like it&#8217;s ripped right off her Wikipedia page. Makes me think you discovered who she was 5 minutes before making your post, and like a giddy school child, felt the need to share your discovery with the world.</p>
<p>Finally, nice job for criticizing me for being anonymous. Because  &#8220;Joe&#8221; and &#8220;Ed&#8221; and &#8220;MattS&#8221; aren&#8217;t anonymous either&#8230;I&#8217;m so sorry for having to happen upon this web page by chance on a google search and wanting to do a public service by correcting a factual inaccuracy. I did not realize that I was required to set up a blog with my &#8220;real name&#8221; just like you, so that you find my comments acceptable. I&#8217;ll keep that in mind for next time. Would you like my address and ss# as well?</p>
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		By: Tina Trent		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tina Trent]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Apr 2013 22:38:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[J -- Ted Bundy was reportedly a great suicide crisis hotline counselor, too.  No matter what he did.   

And hiding behind anonymity to excuse a person who tried to kill cops makes you a coward, too.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>J &#8212; Ted Bundy was reportedly a great suicide crisis hotline counselor, too.  No matter what he did.   </p>
<p>And hiding behind anonymity to excuse a person who tried to kill cops makes you a coward, too.</p>
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		By: J		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[J]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Apr 2013 21:38:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Tina and Joe, you know what they say about making assumptions...
I can state through firsthand experience that she was still teaching in the Spring 2012 semester.  Whatever you think of her past and her politics, she extremely knowledgable and in energy, environmental and climate change law.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tina and Joe, you know what they say about making assumptions&#8230;<br />
I can state through firsthand experience that she was still teaching in the Spring 2012 semester.  Whatever you think of her past and her politics, she extremely knowledgable and in energy, environmental and climate change law.</p>
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		By: Tina Trent		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tina Trent]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Apr 2013 12:46:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[She&#039;s still listed there.  Professors often maintain their perks, as if they&#039;ve been granted a principality, not a job.  Such selective feudalism lies at the heart of the academic mess.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>She&#8217;s still listed there.  Professors often maintain their perks, as if they&#8217;ve been granted a principality, not a job.  Such selective feudalism lies at the heart of the academic mess.</p>
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		By: Joe		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joe]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Apr 2013 03:29:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Stein hasn&#039;t taught at Albany Law for years; she&#039;s an administrative law judge at the NY public service commission.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stein hasn&#8217;t taught at Albany Law for years; she&#8217;s an administrative law judge at the NY public service commission.</p>
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		By: wfjag		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[wfjag]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Apr 2013 19:22:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It would be interesting to find out how these professors feel about the 2d Amendment, and see if that is a factor in their being hired and honored.

Perhaps in contrast, Prof. Roger Roots, J.D., Ph.D., was fired by Macon State Univ. purportedly because of his past felony convictions, which he had disclosed on his application.  See, Professor Who Disclosed Felony Convictions is Fired (Nov. 19, 2004), The Chronicle of Higher Education,  http://chronicle.com/article/Professor-Who-Disclosed-Felony/16030

His views on the 2d Amendment probably do not jive with those of the current administration:

“The actual intent of the Second Amendment -- that it protect a right of people to maintain the means “of violently checking the power of government -- has been all but lost in modern American society.&quot; (ftn. omitted).

R. Roots,  ARE COPS CONSTITUTIONAL? , Seton Hall Constitutional L.J. 2001, 685]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would be interesting to find out how these professors feel about the 2d Amendment, and see if that is a factor in their being hired and honored.</p>
<p>Perhaps in contrast, Prof. Roger Roots, J.D., Ph.D., was fired by Macon State Univ. purportedly because of his past felony convictions, which he had disclosed on his application.  See, Professor Who Disclosed Felony Convictions is Fired (Nov. 19, 2004), The Chronicle of Higher Education,  <a href="http://chronicle.com/article/Professor-Who-Disclosed-Felony/16030" rel="nofollow ugc">http://chronicle.com/article/Professor-Who-Disclosed-Felony/16030</a></p>
<p>His views on the 2d Amendment probably do not jive with those of the current administration:</p>
<p>“The actual intent of the Second Amendment &#8212; that it protect a right of people to maintain the means “of violently checking the power of government &#8212; has been all but lost in modern American society.&#8221; (ftn. omitted).</p>
<p>R. Roots,  ARE COPS CONSTITUTIONAL? , Seton Hall Constitutional L.J. 2001, 685</p>
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		By: Ron Miller		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ron Miller]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Apr 2013 15:39:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Really?  Do we always have to go to far?  Law professors who &quot;tout their violent past&quot; is a big epidemic?   Geez.  NYU should not have hired this woman. Period.  

Everyone here wants it both ways.  Leftist who want to overthrow the government are awful but we all need guns to fight government oppression.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really?  Do we always have to go to far?  Law professors who &#8220;tout their violent past&#8221; is a big epidemic?   Geez.  NYU should not have hired this woman. Period.  </p>
<p>Everyone here wants it both ways.  Leftist who want to overthrow the government are awful but we all need guns to fight government oppression.</p>
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