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	Comments on: &#8220;Lance Armstrong Lied, Cheated, Doped&#8230;&#8221;	</title>
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		By: Small Government Guy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Small Government Guy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Apr 2013 14:51:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m still trying to figure out why the USPS was sponsoring a team in the first place.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m still trying to figure out why the USPS was sponsoring a team in the first place.</p>
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		By: Ron Miller		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ron Miller]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Apr 2013 14:16:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m telling you right now, I can&#039;t look at my mail the same anymore.  It all looks like centrifuged blood to me.   I should be a fact witness in the damages case.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m telling you right now, I can&#8217;t look at my mail the same anymore.  It all looks like centrifuged blood to me.   I should be a fact witness in the damages case.</p>
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		By: Melvin H.		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Melvin H.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Apr 2013 06:41:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Actually, since Landis himself admitted he doped (assuming he did it while at USPS cycling team), should not Landis himself be in the dock for unjust enrichment--not just for his time with the team but writing a book which turned out, like his defense all the to the Court for Administration in Sport and his OWN admission, to be a lie?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, since Landis himself admitted he doped (assuming he did it while at USPS cycling team), should not Landis himself be in the dock for unjust enrichment&#8211;not just for his time with the team but writing a book which turned out, like his defense all the to the Court for Administration in Sport and his OWN admission, to be a lie?</p>
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		By: Bumper		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bumper]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Apr 2013 23:58:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Somebody help me here. Exactly how could Lance Armstrong have damaged the USPS brand any worse than they have managed to do on their own? Or the Justice Department brand with the likes of Holder and Perez.

Armstrong&#039;s mistake was in not joining the postal workers union, if he was a member they would have rallied around him to ward off those evil meanies out to besmirch the reputations of all the fine underpaid postal workers.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Somebody help me here. Exactly how could Lance Armstrong have damaged the USPS brand any worse than they have managed to do on their own? Or the Justice Department brand with the likes of Holder and Perez.</p>
<p>Armstrong&#8217;s mistake was in not joining the postal workers union, if he was a member they would have rallied around him to ward off those evil meanies out to besmirch the reputations of all the fine underpaid postal workers.</p>
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		By: George B		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[George B]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Apr 2013 17:38:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I see the Lance Armstrong doping case more like NASCAR teams pushing the limits of the rule book.  As an example, one NASCAR team that used a long meandering fuel line to get more fuel capacity while complying with the letter of the rule for fuel tank size.  They got caught and a new rule was added to cover this type of cheating, but nobody was shocked that NASCAR teams were trying to find a way to gain an unfair advantage.

Lance Armstrong boosted the levels of naturally occurring substances in his body enough to win, but not enough to fail the blood tests.  Floyd Landis boosted his testosterone levels to unnatural levels high enough to get caught.
http://www.geek.com/news/how-lance-armstrong-beat-the-drug-tests-1536719/

Punishing Lance Armstrong within the sport of cycling seems reasonable, but I don&#039;t see how the USPS brand was damaged.  They benefited more from the publicity of the unfair wins than they would have if their cycling team didn&#039;t win.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see the Lance Armstrong doping case more like NASCAR teams pushing the limits of the rule book.  As an example, one NASCAR team that used a long meandering fuel line to get more fuel capacity while complying with the letter of the rule for fuel tank size.  They got caught and a new rule was added to cover this type of cheating, but nobody was shocked that NASCAR teams were trying to find a way to gain an unfair advantage.</p>
<p>Lance Armstrong boosted the levels of naturally occurring substances in his body enough to win, but not enough to fail the blood tests.  Floyd Landis boosted his testosterone levels to unnatural levels high enough to get caught.<br />
<a href="http://www.geek.com/news/how-lance-armstrong-beat-the-drug-tests-1536719/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.geek.com/news/how-lance-armstrong-beat-the-drug-tests-1536719/</a></p>
<p>Punishing Lance Armstrong within the sport of cycling seems reasonable, but I don&#8217;t see how the USPS brand was damaged.  They benefited more from the publicity of the unfair wins than they would have if their cycling team didn&#8217;t win.</p>
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		By: Them Apples		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Them Apples]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Apr 2013 03:09:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Most do not understand what this is all about.

1. Suit was already brought, 2 years ago, by Floyd Landis.
2. US Gov by way of DofJ is joining it; not starting it.
3. This is about US government going on record; having history not question/wonder whether Armstrong/Team USPS was state-sponsored international pro sport cheating -- for the history books being read 50 years from now (anyone remember East Germany of the 1960&#039;s-70&#039;s?)
4. If DofJ does not join the existing suit, history recorders will say it begs the question &quot;why not?&quot; (&quot;something to hide?; maybe all coordinated by the state?&quot;)
5. DofJ has to join the suit to ward that off; be categorical about it.
6. If you are going to act all righteous and indignant, you may as well go whole hog and have it play out in public courts (and not do a quiet settlement; that just leaves the same old questions)
7. This is not (primarily) about the money -- both US government and Lance Armstrong got tons, last I looked
8. Floyd Landis? Well, yes, he could probably use his 25% cut of any award, as the whistleblower.
9. Lance had a penchant for making enemies (e.g., see Floyd Landis)
10. Some US senators and Congressmen were humiliated putting their necks on the line (some) by taking Lance&#039;s side during the USADA investigation, going so far as to petition to have it shut down (believing Lance&#039;s &quot;witch-hunt&quot; claims). They may have been pushing for this as well (yeah; they may have got a little peeved-off).

Lance liked to think himself as a smart guy. But he selected an agency of the government of the United States of America (USPS), one of the few established directly in the Constitution, to launch his racketeering ventures. He then hand-picked U.S. citizen cyclists to make up the bulk of this teammates. They turned out to be constitutionally hampered in any attempts to protect him (i.e., &quot;be quiet&quot;) when subpenaed.

Oops.

Not too smart by halves.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most do not understand what this is all about.</p>
<p>1. Suit was already brought, 2 years ago, by Floyd Landis.<br />
2. US Gov by way of DofJ is joining it; not starting it.<br />
3. This is about US government going on record; having history not question/wonder whether Armstrong/Team USPS was state-sponsored international pro sport cheating &#8212; for the history books being read 50 years from now (anyone remember East Germany of the 1960&#8217;s-70&#8217;s?)<br />
4. If DofJ does not join the existing suit, history recorders will say it begs the question &#8220;why not?&#8221; (&#8220;something to hide?; maybe all coordinated by the state?&#8221;)<br />
5. DofJ has to join the suit to ward that off; be categorical about it.<br />
6. If you are going to act all righteous and indignant, you may as well go whole hog and have it play out in public courts (and not do a quiet settlement; that just leaves the same old questions)<br />
7. This is not (primarily) about the money &#8212; both US government and Lance Armstrong got tons, last I looked<br />
8. Floyd Landis? Well, yes, he could probably use his 25% cut of any award, as the whistleblower.<br />
9. Lance had a penchant for making enemies (e.g., see Floyd Landis)<br />
10. Some US senators and Congressmen were humiliated putting their necks on the line (some) by taking Lance&#8217;s side during the USADA investigation, going so far as to petition to have it shut down (believing Lance&#8217;s &#8220;witch-hunt&#8221; claims). They may have been pushing for this as well (yeah; they may have got a little peeved-off).</p>
<p>Lance liked to think himself as a smart guy. But he selected an agency of the government of the United States of America (USPS), one of the few established directly in the Constitution, to launch his racketeering ventures. He then hand-picked U.S. citizen cyclists to make up the bulk of this teammates. They turned out to be constitutionally hampered in any attempts to protect him (i.e., &#8220;be quiet&#8221;) when subpenaed.</p>
<p>Oops.</p>
<p>Not too smart by halves.</p>
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		By: bobby b		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bobby b]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Apr 2013 02:08:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Would that the USPS could have taken Lance&#039;s advice and got on steroids itself.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Would that the USPS could have taken Lance&#8217;s advice and got on steroids itself.</p>
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		By: jesse spurway		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jesse spurway]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Apr 2013 19:56:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I think it&#039;s interesting that Theapplepan does not consider that judges can be government bureaucrats.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#8217;s interesting that Theapplepan does not consider that judges can be government bureaucrats.</p>
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		By: Ron Miller		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ron Miller]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Apr 2013 18:00:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Great answer.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great answer.</p>
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		By: Walter Olson		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Walter Olson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Apr 2013 17:24:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ron -- Cato can and does encourage a diversity of views, which means others at Cato sometimes advance positions I don&#039;t share, and vice versa. But that&#039;s always been true as well with respect to co-bloggers and guest bloggers posting at Overlawyered. If others from Cato begin to contribute posts from time to time, I hope and trust that you won&#039;t impute their views to me or mine to them. We&#039;re all different people.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ron &#8212; Cato can and does encourage a diversity of views, which means others at Cato sometimes advance positions I don&#8217;t share, and vice versa. But that&#8217;s always been true as well with respect to co-bloggers and guest bloggers posting at Overlawyered. If others from Cato begin to contribute posts from time to time, I hope and trust that you won&#8217;t impute their views to me or mine to them. We&#8217;re all different people.</p>
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