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		By: buddy larsen		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jun 2013 17:54:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ron, re your

&quot;Buddy, I think MLK taught us that all protests do not end in violence. I wanted the video. Most of these people would shy away from trying to fight their way out of a paper bag&quot;

All true, but beside the point. Otherwise we could just dispense with law enforcement, on the grounds that MLK covered all that. &quot;Most of these people&quot; shying away from violence is nice but about as helpful toward a solution as the observation that most citizens are not criminals.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ron, re your</p>
<p>&#8220;Buddy, I think MLK taught us that all protests do not end in violence. I wanted the video. Most of these people would shy away from trying to fight their way out of a paper bag&#8221;</p>
<p>All true, but beside the point. Otherwise we could just dispense with law enforcement, on the grounds that MLK covered all that. &#8220;Most of these people&#8221; shying away from violence is nice but about as helpful toward a solution as the observation that most citizens are not criminals.</p>
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		By: Hugo S. Cunningham		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Jun 2013 05:21:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The issues raised here are similar to ones about residential picketing.  I would apply a &quot;24/7&quot; rule:  If the residence targeted by the protestors has police protection 24 hours a day, 7 days a week (eg the White House), then the picketers can be tolerated, provided they don&#039;t deprive the targets or their neighbors of sleep, etc.  If the police are unwilling to provide protection 24/7, then it is time for the protestors to move on, eg to their target&#039;s workplace.

The White House is a special case because it is both a home and a workplace.  I have favored stringent prosecution of anti-abortion extremists who picket the homes of abortion doctors, but would be more tolerant if said doctors were foolish enough to perform abortions in said homes.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The issues raised here are similar to ones about residential picketing.  I would apply a &#8220;24/7&#8221; rule:  If the residence targeted by the protestors has police protection 24 hours a day, 7 days a week (eg the White House), then the picketers can be tolerated, provided they don&#8217;t deprive the targets or their neighbors of sleep, etc.  If the police are unwilling to provide protection 24/7, then it is time for the protestors to move on, eg to their target&#8217;s workplace.</p>
<p>The White House is a special case because it is both a home and a workplace.  I have favored stringent prosecution of anti-abortion extremists who picket the homes of abortion doctors, but would be more tolerant if said doctors were foolish enough to perform abortions in said homes.</p>
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		By: Jerry Vandesic		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Jun 2013 20:10:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The ones who trespassed should face the legal consequences of their actions.   The one&#039;s who protested without trespassing should be free to do so.  It&#039;s pretty simple.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The ones who trespassed should face the legal consequences of their actions.   The one&#8217;s who protested without trespassing should be free to do so.  It&#8217;s pretty simple.</p>
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		By: gitarcarver		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Jun 2013 17:32:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thanks Ron for the compliment.  I had no idea I had the ability to &quot;make you&quot; do anything, much less watch a video.   That&#039;s a pretty impressive feat if I do say so myself.

One would have thought that as the video commences with the crowd standing in the front entrance of the home that would have proved the &quot;trespassing point&quot; to your satisfaction, but reasonable people will disagree on your looking for more things to suit your view rather than the facts.  

It is also impressive that you want to try and shift the blame again to other protestors.  First you tried to make some equivalency between protesting on public areas near the White House to trespassing and surrounding private property.  Now you are trying to shift the blame away from the people who trespassed to some other group.  

I guess you missed the arrest of those mean, horrible, rabid abortion protesters just above Baltimore (where you are) who were arrested for protesting on public property?  http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/harford/bs-md-ha-abortion-protests-police-20120324,0,1556625,full.story   

I bet you weren&#039;t happy when a judge slapped down the police for their actions in accosting and arresting the protesters.

But back to this story.  You said you &quot;read the article.&quot;  Even the cited article notes the trespassing so either you didn&#039;t read the article or failed to understand it.    Instead of just saying &quot;I missed that part&quot; or something similar, you chose to attack others and try and shift the blame.

And instead of just saying &quot;they shouldn&#039;t trespass,&quot; you make a caveat that you don&#039;t have a problem with the leaving boots on the doorstep.  Of course, being on the doorstep and getting to the doorstep would be trespassing, but hey, what does consistency matter?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Ron for the compliment.  I had no idea I had the ability to &#8220;make you&#8221; do anything, much less watch a video.   That&#8217;s a pretty impressive feat if I do say so myself.</p>
<p>One would have thought that as the video commences with the crowd standing in the front entrance of the home that would have proved the &#8220;trespassing point&#8221; to your satisfaction, but reasonable people will disagree on your looking for more things to suit your view rather than the facts.  </p>
<p>It is also impressive that you want to try and shift the blame again to other protestors.  First you tried to make some equivalency between protesting on public areas near the White House to trespassing and surrounding private property.  Now you are trying to shift the blame away from the people who trespassed to some other group.  </p>
<p>I guess you missed the arrest of those mean, horrible, rabid abortion protesters just above Baltimore (where you are) who were arrested for protesting on public property?  <a href="http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/harford/bs-md-ha-abortion-protests-police-20120324,0,1556625,full.story" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/harford/bs-md-ha-abortion-protests-police-20120324,0,1556625,full.story</a>   </p>
<p>I bet you weren&#8217;t happy when a judge slapped down the police for their actions in accosting and arresting the protesters.</p>
<p>But back to this story.  You said you &#8220;read the article.&#8221;  Even the cited article notes the trespassing so either you didn&#8217;t read the article or failed to understand it.    Instead of just saying &#8220;I missed that part&#8221; or something similar, you chose to attack others and try and shift the blame.</p>
<p>And instead of just saying &#8220;they shouldn&#8217;t trespass,&#8221; you make a caveat that you don&#8217;t have a problem with the leaving boots on the doorstep.  Of course, being on the doorstep and getting to the doorstep would be trespassing, but hey, what does consistency matter?</p>
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		By: Ron Miller		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Jun 2013 14:15:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Well, I have no problem with them dropping some shoes off.   But... Gitacarver made me watch the video.  (I want that four minutes of my life back.)  They absolutely should not be on the guy&#039;s property and the police should arrest people if they don&#039;t get off when they are told to. But if they want to protest in front of his house on public property, I&#039;m fine with that. 

Do you know how many pro-life conservatives have protested at the homes of doctors and politicians who support abortion?   Those people are about 6.5 trillion times more rabid than these people.  But, you know what, if they stay on public property, they can do whatever they want.  

Gitacarver, I did not read all of the articles.  I read the one.  How you manage read all of that stuff, write the long comments and still remain an authoritative  expert on every single topic in human history is extremely impressive.  Bravo. 

Buddy, I think MLK taught us that all protests do not end in violence.  I wanted the video.  Most of these people would shy away from trying to fight their way out of a paper bag.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I have no problem with them dropping some shoes off.   But&#8230; Gitacarver made me watch the video.  (I want that four minutes of my life back.)  They absolutely should not be on the guy&#8217;s property and the police should arrest people if they don&#8217;t get off when they are told to. But if they want to protest in front of his house on public property, I&#8217;m fine with that. </p>
<p>Do you know how many pro-life conservatives have protested at the homes of doctors and politicians who support abortion?   Those people are about 6.5 trillion times more rabid than these people.  But, you know what, if they stay on public property, they can do whatever they want.  </p>
<p>Gitacarver, I did not read all of the articles.  I read the one.  How you manage read all of that stuff, write the long comments and still remain an authoritative  expert on every single topic in human history is extremely impressive.  Bravo. </p>
<p>Buddy, I think MLK taught us that all protests do not end in violence.  I wanted the video.  Most of these people would shy away from trying to fight their way out of a paper bag.</p>
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		By: gitarcarver		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Jun 2013 02:29:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Trespassing on what? Where does it say that? I read the actual article on the case. Geez, we can all agree that trespassing is a crime.&lt;/i&gt;

Well gee, Ron, maybe you didn&#039;t read all the articles.  Or maybe you didn&#039;t read any.

&quot;Kobach said at the very least, the protesters trespassed on private property and made what he considers to be criminal threats. He said their actions could also be seen as a terroristic threat and that the protesters were trying to bully him into changing his position.&quot;

source:   http://www.kansascity.com/2013/06/17/4299242/kobach-seeks-investigation-into.html#storylink=cpy

&quot;After the meeting a group also went to the Wyandotte County home of Kansas Secretary of State Kobach and left about 20 pairs of shoes at his doorstep. &quot; 

&quot;There were around 100 protestors who surrounded Kobach’s home in protest to his stance in immigration.&quot;

source: (including image of the protestors on the property:  

http://www.kake.com/news/headlines/Protesters-Surround-Home-Of-Kansas-Secretary-Of-State-Kris-Kobach-211734701.html

&quot;I was just appalled,&quot; he said. &quot;They have a right to protest at my office or at my public places, that&#039;s fine. But they don&#039;t have the right to enter someone&#039;s private property and engage in this kind of intimidation. I have four little girls and they would have been terrified to see 200 protesters shouting at their daddy on megaphones on the front lawn.&quot;

Video shot by one of the protestors showed a group standing at Kobach&#039;s front door.

Source:  http://www.kpho.com/story/22614882/kck-police-investigate-protest-on-kris-kobachs-doorstep

Even the article cited by the original post here at Overlawyered says:  &quot;but you can see from the video that people are crowded on his front porch and steps, his driveway, and front lawn.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Trespassing on what? Where does it say that? I read the actual article on the case. Geez, we can all agree that trespassing is a crime.</i></p>
<p>Well gee, Ron, maybe you didn&#8217;t read all the articles.  Or maybe you didn&#8217;t read any.</p>
<p>&#8220;Kobach said at the very least, the protesters trespassed on private property and made what he considers to be criminal threats. He said their actions could also be seen as a terroristic threat and that the protesters were trying to bully him into changing his position.&#8221;</p>
<p>source:   <a href="http://www.kansascity.com/2013/06/17/4299242/kobach-seeks-investigation-into.html#storylink=cpy" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.kansascity.com/2013/06/17/4299242/kobach-seeks-investigation-into.html#storylink=cpy</a></p>
<p>&#8220;After the meeting a group also went to the Wyandotte County home of Kansas Secretary of State Kobach and left about 20 pairs of shoes at his doorstep. &#8221; </p>
<p>&#8220;There were around 100 protestors who surrounded Kobach’s home in protest to his stance in immigration.&#8221;</p>
<p>source: (including image of the protestors on the property:  </p>
<p><a href="http://www.kake.com/news/headlines/Protesters-Surround-Home-Of-Kansas-Secretary-Of-State-Kris-Kobach-211734701.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.kake.com/news/headlines/Protesters-Surround-Home-Of-Kansas-Secretary-Of-State-Kris-Kobach-211734701.html</a></p>
<p>&#8220;I was just appalled,&#8221; he said. &#8220;They have a right to protest at my office or at my public places, that&#8217;s fine. But they don&#8217;t have the right to enter someone&#8217;s private property and engage in this kind of intimidation. I have four little girls and they would have been terrified to see 200 protesters shouting at their daddy on megaphones on the front lawn.&#8221;</p>
<p>Video shot by one of the protestors showed a group standing at Kobach&#8217;s front door.</p>
<p>Source:  <a href="http://www.kpho.com/story/22614882/kck-police-investigate-protest-on-kris-kobachs-doorstep" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.kpho.com/story/22614882/kck-police-investigate-protest-on-kris-kobachs-doorstep</a></p>
<p>Even the article cited by the original post here at Overlawyered says:  &#8220;but you can see from the video that people are crowded on his front porch and steps, his driveway, and front lawn.&#8221;</p>
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		By: buddy larsen		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[buddy larsen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Jun 2013 02:20:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[What&#039;s the difference between holding a gun on someone and demanding the wallet, and sending a hundred-strong angry mob onto the front porch of the home where his wife and four daughters reside? Both cases promise violence unless a demand is met. The mob is the gun --maybe it won&#039;t be fired, maybe it will. You&#039;ll find out, unless you cooperate. 

The only way the gun is not extortion is if it&#039;s unloaded, and you know that for a fact, and also that it will always be unloaded, every time it&#039;s pointed at you, indefinitely.

Since the volition is mutable and outside your control, you can&#039;t know. Ergo, you and your loved ones have just become hostages.

How much did you say it&#039;s worth to you to oppose these people? Where&#039;s the higher duty, to the rule of law or the wife and kids?  If you make a stand now and get away with it, will you make another stand next time around? If not, who on earth could blame you?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s the difference between holding a gun on someone and demanding the wallet, and sending a hundred-strong angry mob onto the front porch of the home where his wife and four daughters reside? Both cases promise violence unless a demand is met. The mob is the gun &#8211;maybe it won&#8217;t be fired, maybe it will. You&#8217;ll find out, unless you cooperate. </p>
<p>The only way the gun is not extortion is if it&#8217;s unloaded, and you know that for a fact, and also that it will always be unloaded, every time it&#8217;s pointed at you, indefinitely.</p>
<p>Since the volition is mutable and outside your control, you can&#8217;t know. Ergo, you and your loved ones have just become hostages.</p>
<p>How much did you say it&#8217;s worth to you to oppose these people? Where&#8217;s the higher duty, to the rule of law or the wife and kids?  If you make a stand now and get away with it, will you make another stand next time around? If not, who on earth could blame you?</p>
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		By: Robert		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Jun 2013 00:46:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Don&#039;t forget another awful political protest: When Spike Lee &quot;tweeted&quot; the address of someone who he claimed was the father of George Zimmerman. It turned out the person was unrelated. Spike Lee&#039;s victim to seek police protection for the death threats he received.

(See, for example http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-501465_162-57405929-501465/spike-lee-retweets-incorrect-address-of-george-zimmerman-violates-twitter-rules/ )

And even though Spike Lee violated Twitter&#039;s TOS and possibly several laws, he was neither kicked off Twitter nor charged with any crime. He did, however, settle with the man he terrorized for an undisclosed sum. 

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/celebritology/post/spike-lee-reaches-settlement-with-florida-couple-over-george-zimmerman-tweet/2012/03/30/gIQALWKDlS_blog.html]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t forget another awful political protest: When Spike Lee &#8220;tweeted&#8221; the address of someone who he claimed was the father of George Zimmerman. It turned out the person was unrelated. Spike Lee&#8217;s victim to seek police protection for the death threats he received.</p>
<p>(See, for example <a href="http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-501465_162-57405929-501465/spike-lee-retweets-incorrect-address-of-george-zimmerman-violates-twitter-rules/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-501465_162-57405929-501465/spike-lee-retweets-incorrect-address-of-george-zimmerman-violates-twitter-rules/</a> )</p>
<p>And even though Spike Lee violated Twitter&#8217;s TOS and possibly several laws, he was neither kicked off Twitter nor charged with any crime. He did, however, settle with the man he terrorized for an undisclosed sum. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/celebritology/post/spike-lee-reaches-settlement-with-florida-couple-over-george-zimmerman-tweet/2012/03/30/gIQALWKDlS_blog.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/celebritology/post/spike-lee-reaches-settlement-with-florida-couple-over-george-zimmerman-tweet/2012/03/30/gIQALWKDlS_blog.html</a></p>
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		By: jdgalt		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Jun 2013 00:33:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Protesting at an office or business location, or a public park, sends the message &quot;We don&#039;t approve of what you&#039;re doing.&quot;  No problem there.

But protesting at a home sends the message &quot;We know where you live.&quot;

The practice needs to be banned totally, regardless of the group or their intended message.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Protesting at an office or business location, or a public park, sends the message &#8220;We don&#8217;t approve of what you&#8217;re doing.&#8221;  No problem there.</p>
<p>But protesting at a home sends the message &#8220;We know where you live.&#8221;</p>
<p>The practice needs to be banned totally, regardless of the group or their intended message.</p>
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		By: Richard Nieporent		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Nieporent]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Jun 2013 00:22:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Trespassing on what? Where does it say that? I read the actual article on the case. Geez, we can all agree that trespassing is a crime.&lt;/i&gt;

Over the weekend, a mob of maybe 100 pro-amnesty protesters swarmed around the home of Kansas secretary of state Kris Kobach, a prominent immigration hawk, chanting “Si, se puede.” Kobach, his wife, and their four girls happened to be out of town,&lt;b&gt; but you can see from the video that people are crowded on his front porch and steps, his driveway, and front lawn.&lt;/b&gt;

Ron, should we believe you or our lying eyes?

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/06/16/immigration-activists-march-on-kansas-secretary-of-states-home-leave-behind-shoes-of-the-fathers-that-hes-deported/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Trespassing on what? Where does it say that? I read the actual article on the case. Geez, we can all agree that trespassing is a crime.</i></p>
<p>Over the weekend, a mob of maybe 100 pro-amnesty protesters swarmed around the home of Kansas secretary of state Kris Kobach, a prominent immigration hawk, chanting “Si, se puede.” Kobach, his wife, and their four girls happened to be out of town,<b> but you can see from the video that people are crowded on his front porch and steps, his driveway, and front lawn.</b></p>
<p>Ron, should we believe you or our lying eyes?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/06/16/immigration-activists-march-on-kansas-secretary-of-states-home-leave-behind-shoes-of-the-fathers-that-hes-deported/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/06/16/immigration-activists-march-on-kansas-secretary-of-states-home-leave-behind-shoes-of-the-fathers-that-hes-deported/</a></p>
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