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		By: Ed		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ed]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jul 2013 22:06:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Jim,  I feel for you.  One duty station (1979) the Post Provost was relieved because he didn&#039;t &quot;aggressively&quot; pursue a woman&#039;s complaints of assault (which later turned out to be harassment).  She went directly to the papers to complain of sexual assault.  Turned out later she was a stripper in a local club at night.  By then his career was wrecked.  The kid in my case occurred after the  Provost incident.  He got drunk and grabbed a woman&#039;s breasts. 

Unfortunately, you became a victim of the witch hunts that invariably follow the PC&#039;ers.   These people want to take things out of the chain of command which would not have given you the recourse of a local Mast.  You would have gone directly to courts-martial.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim,  I feel for you.  One duty station (1979) the Post Provost was relieved because he didn&#8217;t &#8220;aggressively&#8221; pursue a woman&#8217;s complaints of assault (which later turned out to be harassment).  She went directly to the papers to complain of sexual assault.  Turned out later she was a stripper in a local club at night.  By then his career was wrecked.  The kid in my case occurred after the  Provost incident.  He got drunk and grabbed a woman&#8217;s breasts. </p>
<p>Unfortunately, you became a victim of the witch hunts that invariably follow the PC&#8217;ers.   These people want to take things out of the chain of command which would not have given you the recourse of a local Mast.  You would have gone directly to courts-martial.</p>
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		By: Jim Collins		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jim Collins]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jul 2013 19:57:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ed,
I was written up for sexual misconduct in the Navy in 1984.  I was fortunate enough to have a CO who took care of his people and the charge was thrown out at Mast.  There was no &quot;looking the other way&quot;, because the charge was BS and he recognized it as so.  My &quot;crime&quot; was opening the door for a female LT with an arm load of packages at the Exchange.
When I went to college in 2003 it amazed me when we were told during orientation what constituted violations of their &quot;Code of Ethics&quot;.   I was given a warning for wearing a golf shirt with an American Legion emblem over the pocket.  I was told that it&#039;s &quot;military connotations&quot; might make another student feel uncomfortable.  I don&#039;t even want to start on the list of things that were considered a sexual violation.  Let&#039;s just say that a woman could have a man thrown off campus in a millisecond, while it was impossible to bring a complaint against a woman.  I wouldn&#039;t go back on a college campus as a student at gun point.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ed,<br />
I was written up for sexual misconduct in the Navy in 1984.  I was fortunate enough to have a CO who took care of his people and the charge was thrown out at Mast.  There was no &#8220;looking the other way&#8221;, because the charge was BS and he recognized it as so.  My &#8220;crime&#8221; was opening the door for a female LT with an arm load of packages at the Exchange.<br />
When I went to college in 2003 it amazed me when we were told during orientation what constituted violations of their &#8220;Code of Ethics&#8221;.   I was given a warning for wearing a golf shirt with an American Legion emblem over the pocket.  I was told that it&#8217;s &#8220;military connotations&#8221; might make another student feel uncomfortable.  I don&#8217;t even want to start on the list of things that were considered a sexual violation.  Let&#8217;s just say that a woman could have a man thrown off campus in a millisecond, while it was impossible to bring a complaint against a woman.  I wouldn&#8217;t go back on a college campus as a student at gun point.</p>
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		By: Ed		</title>
		<link>https://www.overlawyered.com/2013/07/now-available-sentence-first-verdict-afterward/comment-page-1/#comment-227458</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ed]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jul 2013 18:33:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This same idea is now being pushed into the military.  Dishonorable Discharge first then Courts-martial.  While sexual abuse is serious, proponents have mischaracterized the 26,000 number.  The number is based on a statistical extension of a survey.  The survey included not just physical abuse but what would be considered harassment in the civilian world.  Before people get on their high horse, as a Company Commander, I court-martialed a guy for indecent assault (indecent touching).  The media and PC folks have created the myth that all officers look the other way.   The next step will be, excuse the phrase: a&quot;witch&quot; hunt.  Where the PC folks will find a few folks to hang based on their ideas.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This same idea is now being pushed into the military.  Dishonorable Discharge first then Courts-martial.  While sexual abuse is serious, proponents have mischaracterized the 26,000 number.  The number is based on a statistical extension of a survey.  The survey included not just physical abuse but what would be considered harassment in the civilian world.  Before people get on their high horse, as a Company Commander, I court-martialed a guy for indecent assault (indecent touching).  The media and PC folks have created the myth that all officers look the other way.   The next step will be, excuse the phrase: a&#8221;witch&#8221; hunt.  Where the PC folks will find a few folks to hang based on their ideas.</p>
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