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	Comments on: NYC: &#8220;Meet the seemingly unfirable female firefighter&#8221;	</title>
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		By: Update: &#34;&#039;Unfireable&#039; NYC firefighter quits&#34; - Overlawyered		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Update: &#34;&#039;Unfireable&#039; NYC firefighter quits&#34; - Overlawyered]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Nov 2013 11:45:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] For an excerpt from my discussion in The Excuse Factory of litigation challenging timed tests for firefighters, see this 2007 post. [New York Post, earlier] [&#8230;]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] For an excerpt from my discussion in The Excuse Factory of litigation challenging timed tests for firefighters, see this 2007 post. [New York Post, earlier] [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: Ron Miller		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ron Miller]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Nov 2013 19:50:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I agree with many of the comments here.  But the 1.5 miles is not an awful test.  They key is stamina to do the job not being able to run to get to the fire.  Presumably, and I&#039;m making all of this up but it has to be right, is that there are cardio demands over an extended period of time.  So while she might not be running, it is a legitimate test of cardio.  She&#039;s obviously in good shape but when you have bright line rules, you get what you get.  And as far as bright line rules go, this one is not awful]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with many of the comments here.  But the 1.5 miles is not an awful test.  They key is stamina to do the job not being able to run to get to the fire.  Presumably, and I&#8217;m making all of this up but it has to be right, is that there are cardio demands over an extended period of time.  So while she might not be running, it is a legitimate test of cardio.  She&#8217;s obviously in good shape but when you have bright line rules, you get what you get.  And as far as bright line rules go, this one is not awful</p>
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		By: Turk		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Turk]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Nov 2013 02:57:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I thought it a bit odd that there was a discussion of a foot injury, but no details about it.

I know plenty of folks that can run marathons when healthy -- and run them fast --  but can&#039;t cover the firefighter distance of 1.5M in the required time when injured.

Perhaps it is a legitimate hit job on her, or perhaps it&#039;s just the NY Post being the NY Post with its own agenda and skewing the story the way the like it.  

Impossible to tell due to the limited info.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought it a bit odd that there was a discussion of a foot injury, but no details about it.</p>
<p>I know plenty of folks that can run marathons when healthy &#8212; and run them fast &#8212;  but can&#8217;t cover the firefighter distance of 1.5M in the required time when injured.</p>
<p>Perhaps it is a legitimate hit job on her, or perhaps it&#8217;s just the NY Post being the NY Post with its own agenda and skewing the story the way the like it.  </p>
<p>Impossible to tell due to the limited info.</p>
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		By: JD Olney MD		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JD Olney MD]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Nov 2013 00:38:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Have any of you taken a look at the obesity and BMI stats of the firefighters in this country? They are so out of shape, they should welcome a smart lady that can run 1.5 miles in 12:23. I would love to see her race some of the fat butts in the NYFD and if she wins, they lose their jobs!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have any of you taken a look at the obesity and BMI stats of the firefighters in this country? They are so out of shape, they should welcome a smart lady that can run 1.5 miles in 12:23. I would love to see her race some of the fat butts in the NYFD and if she wins, they lose their jobs!</p>
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		By: Wfjag		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wfjag]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Nov 2013 23:41:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Since we&#039;re &quot;norming&quot; standards to better fit the inner self, shouldn&#039;t an old woman trapped in a young man&#039;s body only have to meet the standards for AARP-eligible females?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since we&#8217;re &#8220;norming&#8221; standards to better fit the inner self, shouldn&#8217;t an old woman trapped in a young man&#8217;s body only have to meet the standards for AARP-eligible females?</p>
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		By: BackinIndy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[BackinIndy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Nov 2013 18:33:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Oops, should have said Navy and not the military in general.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops, should have said Navy and not the military in general.</p>
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		By: BackinIndy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[BackinIndy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Nov 2013 18:33:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The military has had drastically lower standards for females forever.  A 19-21 year old female has a push up requirement that is the same as a 50 year old male.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The military has had drastically lower standards for females forever.  A 19-21 year old female has a push up requirement that is the same as a 50 year old male.</p>
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		By: Boblipton		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Boblipton]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Nov 2013 18:19:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[You guys are a bunch of whiners.  You would place some mope&#039;s life above this woman&#039;s right to do whatever job she wishes, regardless of her ability to do it. Would you be brave enough to go to work every day and face the scornful men who think that just because you can&#039;t do the job, you shouldn&#039;t have the job? She is braver far than you!

Bob]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You guys are a bunch of whiners.  You would place some mope&#8217;s life above this woman&#8217;s right to do whatever job she wishes, regardless of her ability to do it. Would you be brave enough to go to work every day and face the scornful men who think that just because you can&#8217;t do the job, you shouldn&#8217;t have the job? She is braver far than you!</p>
<p>Bob</p>
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		By: Don		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Don]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Nov 2013 18:05:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Kilroy,

For safety reasons, firefighters are not supposed to run on the fire ground.

1.5 mile run is supposed to be a test of overall aerobic fitness.   I have long argued that it is a poor measure.   I used to run Cross country in high school.   I find it easy to do.  I know other guys who don&#039;t have any running skills, find it extremely difficult, but they are in really good shape.   I have seen them walk 3 miles in 45 minutes carrying a 45 lb pack.   That is the national wildland firefighter standard.  Personally, I find it difficult to walk that fast for that long, without running.   But I also feel it is a better test than the 1.5 mile run.

Put her on a bike, or swim, or walk, there are lots of other good tests of physical fitness.    She doesn&#039;t look very tall.   Maybe she doesn&#039;t have the stride to make that run in 12 minutes.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kilroy,</p>
<p>For safety reasons, firefighters are not supposed to run on the fire ground.</p>
<p>1.5 mile run is supposed to be a test of overall aerobic fitness.   I have long argued that it is a poor measure.   I used to run Cross country in high school.   I find it easy to do.  I know other guys who don&#8217;t have any running skills, find it extremely difficult, but they are in really good shape.   I have seen them walk 3 miles in 45 minutes carrying a 45 lb pack.   That is the national wildland firefighter standard.  Personally, I find it difficult to walk that fast for that long, without running.   But I also feel it is a better test than the 1.5 mile run.</p>
<p>Put her on a bike, or swim, or walk, there are lots of other good tests of physical fitness.    She doesn&#8217;t look very tall.   Maybe she doesn&#8217;t have the stride to make that run in 12 minutes.</p>
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		By: DEM		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[DEM]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Nov 2013 17:55:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Well, no NFL player has been asked to run a shuttle cone drill or bench press 225 lbs for reps during a game, either.  Yet the NFL tests those drills to assess overall strength and quickness.  Likewise, if you can&#039;t run 1.5 miles at a 8 minute per mile pace, chances are very good that you can&#039;t lug your gear up a few flights of stairs without being utterly gassed out.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, no NFL player has been asked to run a shuttle cone drill or bench press 225 lbs for reps during a game, either.  Yet the NFL tests those drills to assess overall strength and quickness.  Likewise, if you can&#8217;t run 1.5 miles at a 8 minute per mile pace, chances are very good that you can&#8217;t lug your gear up a few flights of stairs without being utterly gassed out.</p>
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