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		By: OBQuiet		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Apr 2014 20:22:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[SHG,

My point is that, as a business, the ONLY duty the corporation has is to maximize shareholder return. If settling has a lower expected cost(including the possible cost of future cases AGAINST THE SAME CORPORATION and the decreased likelihood of attracting talent when it is known that they are willing to risk having them jailed ) then the have a fiscal responsibility to its shareholders to settle. 

IN fact, not settling would likely leave them open to additional costs from shareholder suits. Even if the Corp eventually won, the dive the trial would create in the stock price would trigger the shareholder suits.

I guess I really was just pointing out the the system was rigged from the start and the Corp really only has a lose/lose proposition available to it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SHG,</p>
<p>My point is that, as a business, the ONLY duty the corporation has is to maximize shareholder return. If settling has a lower expected cost(including the possible cost of future cases AGAINST THE SAME CORPORATION and the decreased likelihood of attracting talent when it is known that they are willing to risk having them jailed ) then the have a fiscal responsibility to its shareholders to settle. </p>
<p>IN fact, not settling would likely leave them open to additional costs from shareholder suits. Even if the Corp eventually won, the dive the trial would create in the stock price would trigger the shareholder suits.</p>
<p>I guess I really was just pointing out the the system was rigged from the start and the Corp really only has a lose/lose proposition available to it.</p>
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		By: Talking Toyota and the feds - Overlawyered		</title>
		<link>https://www.overlawyered.com/2014/03/department-justice-extracts-1-2-billion-toyota/comment-page-1/#comment-276281</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Talking Toyota and the feds - Overlawyered]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2014 10:45:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] Justice Department&#8217;s aggressive use of criminal law against the Japanese automaker (earlier here). Also check out Canadian columnist Terence Corcoran&#8217;s view: &#8220;Intended media [&#8230;]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Justice Department&#8217;s aggressive use of criminal law against the Japanese automaker (earlier here). Also check out Canadian columnist Terence Corcoran&#8217;s view: &#8220;Intended media [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: shg		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[shg]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2014 13:31:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[No, you understand it correctly. Where you appear to be confused is that you think it&#039;s unique to Toyota, or perhaps corporations. It&#039;s the same situation faced by every criminal target or defendant, guilty, innocent or somewhere in between.  That is our system. That&#039;s what is meant by a business decision.

The only way it ends is when the government is challenged rather than paid off, like the Sopranos&#039; insurance. As long as corporations keep making the same business decision, the government will keep targeting corporate defendants and happily take their money.  

It&#039;s certainly risky and expensive to fight, but there is also a chance to win and take the government down a few pegs. It&#039;s just expensive to cop a plea, and there is no chance to win. Pick your poison.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, you understand it correctly. Where you appear to be confused is that you think it&#8217;s unique to Toyota, or perhaps corporations. It&#8217;s the same situation faced by every criminal target or defendant, guilty, innocent or somewhere in between.  That is our system. That&#8217;s what is meant by a business decision.</p>
<p>The only way it ends is when the government is challenged rather than paid off, like the Sopranos&#8217; insurance. As long as corporations keep making the same business decision, the government will keep targeting corporate defendants and happily take their money.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s certainly risky and expensive to fight, but there is also a chance to win and take the government down a few pegs. It&#8217;s just expensive to cop a plea, and there is no chance to win. Pick your poison.</p>
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		By: OBQuiet		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[OBQuiet]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2014 00:51:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I think I may be misunderstanding the system if shg is correct. My understanding was that had Toyota taken this to trial, they would be on the hook for all the costs of the defense, the cost of executive time in being deposed, the cost providing experts to testify, and many other costs. This ignores the costs of the bad publicity and the possible adverse result of a trial. None of these would be recoverable. As would be the costs of the shareholder suits if it ended up costing more than the settlement costs. 

So they had the options of paying a lot and hoping they won or paying more and not having the risk. 

It wa simply insurance. In that stellar tradition of the Sopranos&#039; insurance agency.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I may be misunderstanding the system if shg is correct. My understanding was that had Toyota taken this to trial, they would be on the hook for all the costs of the defense, the cost of executive time in being deposed, the cost providing experts to testify, and many other costs. This ignores the costs of the bad publicity and the possible adverse result of a trial. None of these would be recoverable. As would be the costs of the shareholder suits if it ended up costing more than the settlement costs. </p>
<p>So they had the options of paying a lot and hoping they won or paying more and not having the risk. </p>
<p>It wa simply insurance. In that stellar tradition of the Sopranos&#8217; insurance agency.</p>
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		By: shg		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[shg]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2014 18:14:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;In other words, Toyota was forced to agree to the deal.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Not at all. Every target is &quot;bullied&quot; in the sense that the government has substantially greater leverage. Not every target cops a plea. Some fight. Some of those win. Some lose. But don&#039;t conflate the difficulty of being a target or defendant with being &quot;forced.&quot;  

Toyota made a business decision, which was a far easier one that non-corporate defendants face when looking at substantial prison time.  While Toyota may not be as powerful as the United States government, it&#039;s far more powerful than any individual defendant who tells the government to screw itself and goes to trial.  So no, they were by no means &quot;forced&quot; to do anything.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>In other words, Toyota was forced to agree to the deal.</p></blockquote>
<p>Not at all. Every target is &#8220;bullied&#8221; in the sense that the government has substantially greater leverage. Not every target cops a plea. Some fight. Some of those win. Some lose. But don&#8217;t conflate the difficulty of being a target or defendant with being &#8220;forced.&#8221;  </p>
<p>Toyota made a business decision, which was a far easier one that non-corporate defendants face when looking at substantial prison time.  While Toyota may not be as powerful as the United States government, it&#8217;s far more powerful than any individual defendant who tells the government to screw itself and goes to trial.  So no, they were by no means &#8220;forced&#8221; to do anything.</p>
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		By: MattS		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MattS]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2014 14:06:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot; Toyota was bullied, no doubt, as are all criminal defendants, but it was not forced to agree to the deal anymore than any target is forced into a plea deal.&quot;

In other words, Toyota was forced to agree to the deal.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; Toyota was bullied, no doubt, as are all criminal defendants, but it was not forced to agree to the deal anymore than any target is forced into a plea deal.&#8221;</p>
<p>In other words, Toyota was forced to agree to the deal.</p>
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		By: shg		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[shg]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2014 22:12:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Not to be unsympathetic to Toyota, but a deferred prosecution agreement is the standard corporate &quot;plea bargain&quot; that results from the vast majority of the government&#039;s investigations.  Toyota was bullied, no doubt, as are all criminal defendants, but it was not forced to agree to the deal anymore than any target is forced into a plea deal.

Toyota could have told the govt to get lost and try the case. Unlike most, Toyota had the wherewithal to defend itself. But like most large corporations, it made a financial decision to take the deal and pay the negotiated $1.2 billion.  This is the standard advice corporations get from their white collar criminal defense counsel at Biglaw firms, all of whom are qualified by their experience as federal prosecutors, and who almost invariably advice corporations to cut the deal and not fight.

But Toyota is a big corporation, and knows the game. It could have fought. Instead, it chose to cop a deal. At least it had the financial ability to make a choice.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not to be unsympathetic to Toyota, but a deferred prosecution agreement is the standard corporate &#8220;plea bargain&#8221; that results from the vast majority of the government&#8217;s investigations.  Toyota was bullied, no doubt, as are all criminal defendants, but it was not forced to agree to the deal anymore than any target is forced into a plea deal.</p>
<p>Toyota could have told the govt to get lost and try the case. Unlike most, Toyota had the wherewithal to defend itself. But like most large corporations, it made a financial decision to take the deal and pay the negotiated $1.2 billion.  This is the standard advice corporations get from their white collar criminal defense counsel at Biglaw firms, all of whom are qualified by their experience as federal prosecutors, and who almost invariably advice corporations to cut the deal and not fight.</p>
<p>But Toyota is a big corporation, and knows the game. It could have fought. Instead, it chose to cop a deal. At least it had the financial ability to make a choice.</p>
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		By: Walter Olson		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Walter Olson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2014 20:35:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This is styled a &quot;forfeiture&quot; and goes to the government.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is styled a &#8220;forfeiture&#8221; and goes to the government.</p>
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		By: Howard		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Howard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2014 19:54:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[When the DOJ fines Toyota for $1.2 B...who gets the money?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When the DOJ fines Toyota for $1.2 B&#8230;who gets the money?</p>
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		By: Scott		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Scott]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2014 15:00:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It will be interesting to see what penalty GM suffers for its real safety hazard that it ignored and actually killed dozen(s) of people.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It will be interesting to see what penalty GM suffers for its real safety hazard that it ignored and actually killed dozen(s) of people.</p>
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