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		By: Additional Bundy Ranch thought - Overlawyered		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Additional Bundy Ranch thought - Overlawyered]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2014 03:15:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] will not say I told you so for fear of coming off as ungracious, but Coyote has no such [&#8230;]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] will not say I told you so for fear of coming off as ungracious, but Coyote has no such [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: Chilidog		</title>
		<link>https://www.overlawyered.com/2014/04/cliven-bundy-u-s-constitution/comment-page-1/#comment-279753</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chilidog]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2014 02:44:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The problem is that Bundy forfeited his grazing permit back in 1993 when he stopped paying his fees.

The BLM canceled his permit.  
CLark county brought it

The have restricted the land from grazing so that they can develop other habitat closer to Las Vegas.

Bundy will NEVER get his permit back.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem is that Bundy forfeited his grazing permit back in 1993 when he stopped paying his fees.</p>
<p>The BLM canceled his permit.<br />
CLark county brought it</p>
<p>The have restricted the land from grazing so that they can develop other habitat closer to Las Vegas.</p>
<p>Bundy will NEVER get his permit back.</p>
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		By: David		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2014 18:09:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Bundy is a welfare queen, using Federal land to live a lifestyle he otherwise couldn&#039;t afford.

There&#039;s a reason his &quot;supporters&quot; aren&#039;t other ranchers in a similar position, and instead are coming from out of state.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bundy is a welfare queen, using Federal land to live a lifestyle he otherwise couldn&#8217;t afford.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a reason his &#8220;supporters&#8221; aren&#8217;t other ranchers in a similar position, and instead are coming from out of state.</p>
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		By: John Fembup		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Fembup]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2014 04:45:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Actually, I don&#039;t think Bundy and his friends are constitutional conservatives.  I think they are Declaration of Independence radicals:

&quot;But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, I don&#8217;t think Bundy and his friends are constitutional conservatives.  I think they are Declaration of Independence radicals:</p>
<p>&#8220;But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.&#8221;</p>
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		By: Stewart Peterson		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stewart Peterson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2014 03:38:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[What strikes me most about this whole incident is the reaction of actual constitutional conservatives: they aren&#039;t defending the government. Their prevailing attitude seems to be &quot;let&#039;s watch the morons fight the morons.&quot;

&lt;i&gt;That&lt;/i&gt; frightens me. When the system is challenged, and the establishment says &quot;meh,&quot; you get the 60s, basically. It&#039;s not like the people who were actually doing 60s-type things in the 60s weren&#039;t also doing them (or wanting to do them) in the 50s, the 40s, and the 30s - but it came out in the open and went mainstream because those guys stopped getting pushback. They said the system was illegitimate and, eventually, the establishment (while not quite &lt;i&gt;agreeing&lt;/i&gt;) said &quot;OK - we no longer have a mandate. Y&#039;all figure it out.&quot; Unfortunately, nobody had a ready-to-go, coherent, new system, and the result was &lt;i&gt;no enforcement&lt;/i&gt;.

I&#039;m seeing flashes of 1967. Hope the people pushing against the system these days have a coherent, new one that we can all tolerate...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What strikes me most about this whole incident is the reaction of actual constitutional conservatives: they aren&#8217;t defending the government. Their prevailing attitude seems to be &#8220;let&#8217;s watch the morons fight the morons.&#8221;</p>
<p><i>That</i> frightens me. When the system is challenged, and the establishment says &#8220;meh,&#8221; you get the 60s, basically. It&#8217;s not like the people who were actually doing 60s-type things in the 60s weren&#8217;t also doing them (or wanting to do them) in the 50s, the 40s, and the 30s &#8211; but it came out in the open and went mainstream because those guys stopped getting pushback. They said the system was illegitimate and, eventually, the establishment (while not quite <i>agreeing</i>) said &#8220;OK &#8211; we no longer have a mandate. Y&#8217;all figure it out.&#8221; Unfortunately, nobody had a ready-to-go, coherent, new system, and the result was <i>no enforcement</i>.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m seeing flashes of 1967. Hope the people pushing against the system these days have a coherent, new one that we can all tolerate&#8230;</p>
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		By: Scott Jacobs		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Scott Jacobs]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2014 19:17:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;At that point, even an unjust cause will serve as casus beli&quot;

Then find an unjust cause. The Bundy case isn&#039;t unjust - the man is unhinged.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;At that point, even an unjust cause will serve as casus beli&#8221;</p>
<p>Then find an unjust cause. The Bundy case isn&#8217;t unjust &#8211; the man is unhinged.</p>
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		By: Mannie		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mannie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2014 11:57:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s not so much that it is a solid legal cause.  It is a solid emotional cause.  The BLM has been driving ranchers off the land for decades.  There is a general rage with the gummint, over its high handed interactions with, and violence to Citizens.  There is a point at which many people will say &quot;Enough is enough.&quot;  At that point, even an unjust cause will serve as casus beli.

Many of the pretexts that we rebelled against England were just that, pretexts.  But they focused the rage of the Patriots, and that is what was necessary to achieve The End.  If we had a Sam Adams and a Patrick Henry or two, agitating, things could come to a head, quickly.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not so much that it is a solid legal cause.  It is a solid emotional cause.  The BLM has been driving ranchers off the land for decades.  There is a general rage with the gummint, over its high handed interactions with, and violence to Citizens.  There is a point at which many people will say &#8220;Enough is enough.&#8221;  At that point, even an unjust cause will serve as casus beli.</p>
<p>Many of the pretexts that we rebelled against England were just that, pretexts.  But they focused the rage of the Patriots, and that is what was necessary to achieve The End.  If we had a Sam Adams and a Patrick Henry or two, agitating, things could come to a head, quickly.</p>
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		By: Charles Melbourne		</title>
		<link>https://www.overlawyered.com/2014/04/cliven-bundy-u-s-constitution/comment-page-1/#comment-279365</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Charles Melbourne]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2014 09:53:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Mark Levin explained some of the government&#039;s challenges related to this case I believe on Tuesday.

There are two kinds of government land, one to protect endangered species, which the BLM calls Bundy&#039;s land. However the original finding from 20 years ago is clearly no longer valid, as the desert turtle is thriving. The BLM should reclassify this land (in a sane world).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark Levin explained some of the government&#8217;s challenges related to this case I believe on Tuesday.</p>
<p>There are two kinds of government land, one to protect endangered species, which the BLM calls Bundy&#8217;s land. However the original finding from 20 years ago is clearly no longer valid, as the desert turtle is thriving. The BLM should reclassify this land (in a sane world).</p>
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		By: The problem with lawyers&#8230; &#8212; Kayak2U Blog		</title>
		<link>https://www.overlawyered.com/2014/04/cliven-bundy-u-s-constitution/comment-page-1/#comment-279343</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The problem with lawyers&#8230; &#8212; Kayak2U Blog]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2014 07:24:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] Via: &#160;Those other folks invested in the law. [&#8230;]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Via: &nbsp;Those other folks invested in the law. [&#8230;]</p>
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