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		By: The IRS scandal: who are the saucer believers? - Overlawyered		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The IRS scandal: who are the saucer believers? - Overlawyered]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2014 04:45:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] the IRS&#8217;s account of what has happened. While we covered the story a year ago as well as more recently, this might make a good time to recapitulate [&#8230;]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] the IRS&#8217;s account of what has happened. While we covered the story a year ago as well as more recently, this might make a good time to recapitulate [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: Jimc5499		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jimc5499]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2014 19:24:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Rick,
This should be an entry level test for somebody who wants to work for the NSA.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rick,<br />
This should be an entry level test for somebody who wants to work for the NSA.</p>
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		By: Ed		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ed]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2014 16:23:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[So, are they really attempting to state that the IRS uses Outlook Express or some other rinky-dink program for their email system. 

Let&#039;s think about this. What large employer doesn&#039;t use a server based email system? It doesn&#039;t matter what happened to the drive on her computer, the data resides on the servers. In fact I wouldn&#039;t be surprised if the entirety of her working data were on the server.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, are they really attempting to state that the IRS uses Outlook Express or some other rinky-dink program for their email system. </p>
<p>Let&#8217;s think about this. What large employer doesn&#8217;t use a server based email system? It doesn&#8217;t matter what happened to the drive on her computer, the data resides on the servers. In fact I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised if the entirety of her working data were on the server.</p>
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		By: Rick		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rick]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2014 21:55:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sort of disappointed with the comments. These emails must exist in the cyberspace,  if not on  LL&#039;s computer, on the computers of the various recipients. If the NSA truly is a spy agency that is claimed, I suspect they have the email address of  both the sender and the recipient, if not the actual content of the email . Can the NSA be dragged in to this?  Why not?  The executive branch authorized military assistance at Waco and Ruby Ridge. Surely, the  IRS Targeting Scandal rises, if even partially true, to a greater threat to our democracy than a couple of fringe groups in rural areas.  Obama of course wants to get to the bottom of this.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sort of disappointed with the comments. These emails must exist in the cyberspace,  if not on  LL&#8217;s computer, on the computers of the various recipients. If the NSA truly is a spy agency that is claimed, I suspect they have the email address of  both the sender and the recipient, if not the actual content of the email . Can the NSA be dragged in to this?  Why not?  The executive branch authorized military assistance at Waco and Ruby Ridge. Surely, the  IRS Targeting Scandal rises, if even partially true, to a greater threat to our democracy than a couple of fringe groups in rural areas.  Obama of course wants to get to the bottom of this.</p>
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		By: franklin7		</title>
		<link>https://www.overlawyered.com/2014/06/irs-scandal-dog-wiped-emails-contd/comment-page-1/#comment-292314</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[franklin7]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2014 13:55:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Of course IRS officials hid/destroyed the emails in question (yawn).

They will get it away with it because the President &#038; Justice Dept have the practical power/will to protect them.  Congress does not have the will to effectively pursue the issue.  Corruption is so rampant across the three Federal branches that this specific incidence of merely IRS corruption is trivial.  Laws are for the little people.

Note especially that Congress does NOT have subpoena power, under the U.S. Constitution.  Subpoena authority is a &quot;judicial&quot; power only -- the Constitution quite clearly states that all judicial power of the United States is vested in one Supreme Court.  
Historically, Congress simply granted itself subpoena-power ... in blatant violation of the Constitution.  Nobody cares about that -- but Lois Lerner is somehow a really big deal.       yawn]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course IRS officials hid/destroyed the emails in question (yawn).</p>
<p>They will get it away with it because the President &amp; Justice Dept have the practical power/will to protect them.  Congress does not have the will to effectively pursue the issue.  Corruption is so rampant across the three Federal branches that this specific incidence of merely IRS corruption is trivial.  Laws are for the little people.</p>
<p>Note especially that Congress does NOT have subpoena power, under the U.S. Constitution.  Subpoena authority is a &#8220;judicial&#8221; power only &#8212; the Constitution quite clearly states that all judicial power of the United States is vested in one Supreme Court.<br />
Historically, Congress simply granted itself subpoena-power &#8230; in blatant violation of the Constitution.  Nobody cares about that &#8212; but Lois Lerner is somehow a really big deal.       yawn</p>
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		By: Becky		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Becky]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2014 04:14:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I thought I had read that Russia was going to use typewriters and paper to send sensitive messages after the NSA scandal broke. I guess they don&#039;t know all they would have to do is crash and scrap their hard drives. Voila, no documentation.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought I had read that Russia was going to use typewriters and paper to send sensitive messages after the NSA scandal broke. I guess they don&#8217;t know all they would have to do is crash and scrap their hard drives. Voila, no documentation.</p>
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		By: The IRS Scandal&#8217;s Hometown Maryland Angle &#124; Free State Notes		</title>
		<link>https://www.overlawyered.com/2014/06/irs-scandal-dog-wiped-emails-contd/comment-page-1/#comment-292208</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The IRS Scandal&#8217;s Hometown Maryland Angle &#124; Free State Notes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2014 03:45:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] caught flat-footed by the re-emergence of the IRS nonprofit targeting scandal (an exception: the Wall Street Journal opinion page). Last Friday it was disclosed that more than two years&#8217; worth of external [&#8230;]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] caught flat-footed by the re-emergence of the IRS nonprofit targeting scandal (an exception: the Wall Street Journal opinion page). Last Friday it was disclosed that more than two years&#8217; worth of external [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: SSD		</title>
		<link>https://www.overlawyered.com/2014/06/irs-scandal-dog-wiped-emails-contd/comment-page-1/#comment-292188</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[SSD]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2014 01:32:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Would the IRS buy such an excuse during an audit?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Would the IRS buy such an excuse during an audit?</p>
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		By: Boblipton		</title>
		<link>https://www.overlawyered.com/2014/06/irs-scandal-dog-wiped-emails-contd/comment-page-1/#comment-292184</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Boblipton]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2014 01:11:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I agree, Richard.   However, I am a great believer in sauce for the gander.  Once the Supreme Court rules that emails require subpoenas, I&#039;ll grant the same privilege to people who are supposed to be working for me.

Bob]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree, Richard.   However, I am a great believer in sauce for the gander.  Once the Supreme Court rules that emails require subpoenas, I&#8217;ll grant the same privilege to people who are supposed to be working for me.</p>
<p>Bob</p>
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		By: William Nuesslein		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[William Nuesslein]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2014 01:04:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It is not clear to me that Ms. learner would have gotten the letter or had any idea that she was implicated in the &quot;targeting&quot;. Plus she worked very hard with the IT people to restore the hard drive.

The White house put in a system during the Clinton administration to automatically capture all emails to satisfy the numerous requests from Congress. It happens that IRS was not set up that way, probably because there are too many employees. But would Ms. learner know that there was no capturing of her emails? And surly there would be redundant copies of her emails in email chains on other people&#039;s computers. Lastly, the congress got thousands of Ms. Lerner&#039;s emails. To take as given that evidence would be confined to just the small sample of her emails is really dumb!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is not clear to me that Ms. learner would have gotten the letter or had any idea that she was implicated in the &#8220;targeting&#8221;. Plus she worked very hard with the IT people to restore the hard drive.</p>
<p>The White house put in a system during the Clinton administration to automatically capture all emails to satisfy the numerous requests from Congress. It happens that IRS was not set up that way, probably because there are too many employees. But would Ms. learner know that there was no capturing of her emails? And surly there would be redundant copies of her emails in email chains on other people&#8217;s computers. Lastly, the congress got thousands of Ms. Lerner&#8217;s emails. To take as given that evidence would be confined to just the small sample of her emails is really dumb!</p>
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