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		By: In print on police militarization - Overlawyered		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[In print on police militarization - Overlawyered]]></dc:creator>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] transfers to the ever-controversial Maricopa County Sheriff&#8217;s Office of Joe Arpaio. Earlier here, here, here, here, here, [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: En Passant		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[En Passant]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[HFB wrote on 08.14.14 at 3:19 pm:&lt;blockquote&gt;Nothing you posted proves one way or the other.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Nor did I say it had proved anything except that the &quot;yarn&quot; Mr. Nuesslein referred to arose not from spontaneous rumors, but from an eyewitness account. What part of &quot;&lt;strong&gt;if&lt;/strong&gt; one places any credence in the eyewitness account&quot; did I not make clear?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HFB wrote on 08.14.14 at 3:19 pm:</p>
<blockquote><p>Nothing you posted proves one way or the other.</p></blockquote>
<p>Nor did I say it had proved anything except that the &#8220;yarn&#8221; Mr. Nuesslein referred to arose not from spontaneous rumors, but from an eyewitness account. What part of &#8220;<strong>if</strong> one places any credence in the eyewitness account&#8221; did I not make clear?</p>
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		By: Welcome readers/viewers on Ferguson and police militarization - Overlawyered		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Welcome readers/viewers on Ferguson and police militarization - Overlawyered]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2014 04:45:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] with the press, covering the issue on Twitter and other social media, and fielding reactions to my blog post (reprinted at the Cato blog), which has gotten considerable attention. [&#8230;]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] with the press, covering the issue on Twitter and other social media, and fielding reactions to my blog post (reprinted at the Cato blog), which has gotten considerable attention. [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: JohnC		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JohnC]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2014 22:55:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Well, the good news for those troubled by MRAPs is this:  The first maintenance overhaul. Sure, the equipment comes basically free, but the receiving agency is responsible for the acquisition and maintenance cost (a $10-30K premium for basic upkeep; and each maintenance cycle gets a little more expensive), plus you can&#039;t just dispose of some time later. 

Given that you can armor-up some SUVs with better effect, a MRAP that&#039;s not equally useful in every situation (not all streets, shoulders, and bridges meet are designed for the MRAP; especially when the road is above grade it can tip) and reinforces the sense that the current LE TTPs are hardly a sign of progress and enhanced security, more than a few agencies get buyers remorse, especially if they haven&#039;t budgeted (since the total premium isn&#039;t always disclosed). 

Nor is this the first time agencies have decided that, 9 times out of 10, mobility and a low profile trumps force protection and force projection.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, the good news for those troubled by MRAPs is this:  The first maintenance overhaul. Sure, the equipment comes basically free, but the receiving agency is responsible for the acquisition and maintenance cost (a $10-30K premium for basic upkeep; and each maintenance cycle gets a little more expensive), plus you can&#8217;t just dispose of some time later. </p>
<p>Given that you can armor-up some SUVs with better effect, a MRAP that&#8217;s not equally useful in every situation (not all streets, shoulders, and bridges meet are designed for the MRAP; especially when the road is above grade it can tip) and reinforces the sense that the current LE TTPs are hardly a sign of progress and enhanced security, more than a few agencies get buyers remorse, especially if they haven&#8217;t budgeted (since the total premium isn&#8217;t always disclosed). </p>
<p>Nor is this the first time agencies have decided that, 9 times out of 10, mobility and a low profile trumps force protection and force projection.</p>
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		By: HFB		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[HFB]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2014 19:19:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I would agree that there is something that doesn&#039;t make sense here.  But, I&#039;m trying to be rational.  IMHO, someone who dives into a police car window to attack a cop (allegation 1) OR a cop that shoots an unarmed, hands-up suspect (allegation 2) are not acting rationally.

Now, should the public have to have cameras?  May want to in some areas.  Should the cops?  If the courts are going to take the word of the cop over the public...prolly.  If I read it right, the town of Ferguson had cameras for the cop cars that they did not install.  Why not?  what better evidence could there be?  We&#039;ll never know now and I doubt it will ever be required.

I personally think that riot police are necessary when there is rioting (gofigure), but I think they are showing any restraint when they shoot into someone&#039;s yard.  What&#039;s to stop them from shooting in your house if they see you in the window and you don&#039;t listen to their command to go sit down?  Do they even know of To Protect and Serve?

Now, En Passant,

Nothing you posted proves one way or the other.  Though the Police should be held to a very high standard and are not acting like it here, there could be some legitimacy to the cop&#039;s claims just as there could be to the only eye witness&#039; version.  We won&#039;t know.  If it comes out that he shot him in the back at 35 feet and THEN in the front, it&#039;s going to look awfully bad, though.  I just can&#039;t see any justification and the cop&#039;s emotions running high don&#039;t cut it for me.  He should be trained for that.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would agree that there is something that doesn&#8217;t make sense here.  But, I&#8217;m trying to be rational.  IMHO, someone who dives into a police car window to attack a cop (allegation 1) OR a cop that shoots an unarmed, hands-up suspect (allegation 2) are not acting rationally.</p>
<p>Now, should the public have to have cameras?  May want to in some areas.  Should the cops?  If the courts are going to take the word of the cop over the public&#8230;prolly.  If I read it right, the town of Ferguson had cameras for the cop cars that they did not install.  Why not?  what better evidence could there be?  We&#8217;ll never know now and I doubt it will ever be required.</p>
<p>I personally think that riot police are necessary when there is rioting (gofigure), but I think they are showing any restraint when they shoot into someone&#8217;s yard.  What&#8217;s to stop them from shooting in your house if they see you in the window and you don&#8217;t listen to their command to go sit down?  Do they even know of To Protect and Serve?</p>
<p>Now, En Passant,</p>
<p>Nothing you posted proves one way or the other.  Though the Police should be held to a very high standard and are not acting like it here, there could be some legitimacy to the cop&#8217;s claims just as there could be to the only eye witness&#8217; version.  We won&#8217;t know.  If it comes out that he shot him in the back at 35 feet and THEN in the front, it&#8217;s going to look awfully bad, though.  I just can&#8217;t see any justification and the cop&#8217;s emotions running high don&#8217;t cut it for me.  He should be trained for that.</p>
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		By: Pervak		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2014 18:33:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Another aspect of militarization is important, here.  Even in a war zone, most U.S. military personnel wear nametags so that they can be clearly identified.  (Special Forces personnel involved in counter-terrorism missions usually don&#039;t wear nametags).

What are we to make of cops not wearing any identification markings?  Do they believe they are fighting terrorists or are involved in counter-insurgency operations in America?  Very strange and odd that the State of Missouri allows this complete abrogation of the need for transparency in policing.  No wonder the local communities don&#039;t trust the police -- the police think they are fighting heavily armed domestic terrorists.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another aspect of militarization is important, here.  Even in a war zone, most U.S. military personnel wear nametags so that they can be clearly identified.  (Special Forces personnel involved in counter-terrorism missions usually don&#8217;t wear nametags).</p>
<p>What are we to make of cops not wearing any identification markings?  Do they believe they are fighting terrorists or are involved in counter-insurgency operations in America?  Very strange and odd that the State of Missouri allows this complete abrogation of the need for transparency in policing.  No wonder the local communities don&#8217;t trust the police &#8212; the police think they are fighting heavily armed domestic terrorists.</p>
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		By: En Passant		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[En Passant]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2014 18:12:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[William Nuesslein wrote, on 8.14.14 at 4:55 am:&lt;blockquote&gt;I was appalled by the slant of Mr. Olson’s post that a policeman willy-nilly shot to death an unarmed black youth and left the body in the street for 4 hours. Such yarns have great appeal among our black communities, but they make little sense. There are thousands of encounters of police with black youths every day. ...&lt;/blockquote&gt;Had you read Walter Olson&#039;s report carefully, you would have found this:&lt;blockquote&gt;Since then, reportedly, police have refused to disclose either the name of the cop involved or the autopsy results on young Michael Brown; &lt;strong&gt;have not managed to interview a key eyewitness even as he has told his story repeatedly on camera to the national press;&lt;/strong&gt; &lt;/blockquote&gt;If you follow the link to the eyewitness story, you will find the following key facts asserted:&lt;blockquote&gt;Both young men started running. Johnson managed to duck behind a car, but Brown kept on running, advising his friend Johnson to “keep running.”

A second shot was fired.

Brown put his hands up in the air, begging the officer to stop shooting, and shouting that he did not have a gun, Johnson told MSNBC.

It didn’t matter.

The officer was face-to-face with Brown, according to Johnson, and he still kept on shooting.

“After seeing my friend get gunned down, my body just ran,” he said.

He ran back to his apartment and vomited. At that point, when he returned to the scene, he saw his friend, lying lifeless in the street.

The exclusive interview comes a day after it was revealed that the FBI is planning to conduct an investigation into the shooting of the unarmed Ferguson teen.&lt;/blockquote&gt;While one might debate about the length of time Mr. Brown&#039;s corpse lay in the street, or whether the unnamed officer was justified in killing him, if one places any credence in the eyewitness account, it is apparent that Mr. Brown&#039;s body lay in the street for long enough for the witness to run home, vomit, and return; and that Mr. Brown had his empty hands up, shouting that he was unarmed, and thereafter was shot.

What you call a &quot;yarn&quot; may &quot;make little sense&quot;, but it was not a yarn spontaneously created by people who did not witness the event.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>William Nuesslein wrote, on 8.14.14 at 4:55 am:</p>
<blockquote><p>I was appalled by the slant of Mr. Olson’s post that a policeman willy-nilly shot to death an unarmed black youth and left the body in the street for 4 hours. Such yarns have great appeal among our black communities, but they make little sense. There are thousands of encounters of police with black youths every day. &#8230;</p></blockquote>
<p>Had you read Walter Olson&#8217;s report carefully, you would have found this:</p>
<blockquote><p>Since then, reportedly, police have refused to disclose either the name of the cop involved or the autopsy results on young Michael Brown; <strong>have not managed to interview a key eyewitness even as he has told his story repeatedly on camera to the national press;</strong> </p></blockquote>
<p>If you follow the link to the eyewitness story, you will find the following key facts asserted:</p>
<blockquote><p>Both young men started running. Johnson managed to duck behind a car, but Brown kept on running, advising his friend Johnson to “keep running.”</p>
<p>A second shot was fired.</p>
<p>Brown put his hands up in the air, begging the officer to stop shooting, and shouting that he did not have a gun, Johnson told MSNBC.</p>
<p>It didn’t matter.</p>
<p>The officer was face-to-face with Brown, according to Johnson, and he still kept on shooting.</p>
<p>“After seeing my friend get gunned down, my body just ran,” he said.</p>
<p>He ran back to his apartment and vomited. At that point, when he returned to the scene, he saw his friend, lying lifeless in the street.</p>
<p>The exclusive interview comes a day after it was revealed that the FBI is planning to conduct an investigation into the shooting of the unarmed Ferguson teen.</p></blockquote>
<p>While one might debate about the length of time Mr. Brown&#8217;s corpse lay in the street, or whether the unnamed officer was justified in killing him, if one places any credence in the eyewitness account, it is apparent that Mr. Brown&#8217;s body lay in the street for long enough for the witness to run home, vomit, and return; and that Mr. Brown had his empty hands up, shouting that he was unarmed, and thereafter was shot.</p>
<p>What you call a &#8220;yarn&#8221; may &#8220;make little sense&#8221;, but it was not a yarn spontaneously created by people who did not witness the event.</p>
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		By: Beeblehead &#124; Cops and their toys		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2014 18:03:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		By: marco73		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2014 11:03:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Well, all that military gear has worked out so well; now the cops are arresting reporters for just being in the area.
http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2014/08/13/Reporters-covering-Ferguson-Mo-protests-arrested/9601407979976/

Oh, yeah, and there was more rioting and tear gas Wednesday night.
This is going to end very poorly.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, all that military gear has worked out so well; now the cops are arresting reporters for just being in the area.<br />
<a href="http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2014/08/13/Reporters-covering-Ferguson-Mo-protests-arrested/9601407979976/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2014/08/13/Reporters-covering-Ferguson-Mo-protests-arrested/9601407979976/</a></p>
<p>Oh, yeah, and there was more rioting and tear gas Wednesday night.<br />
This is going to end very poorly.</p>
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		By: William Nuesslein		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2014 08:55:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I was appalled by the slant of Mr. Olson&#039;s post that a policeman willy-nilly shot to death an unarmed black youth and left the body in the street for 4 hours. Such yarns have great appeal among our black communities, but they make little sense. There are thousands of encounters of police with black youths every day. One would expect willy-nilly shootings to have some positive rate if any at all. On the contrary, such events make CNN readily and hours of analysis follow. My understanding is that the policeman in the instant case was treated for facial injuries, so that willy-nilly is problematic. A reasonable man would want some indication as to how the policeman&#039;s gun got out of its holster before passing any judgement at all. How did the routine encounter turn violent? 

We saw this problem in Florida vrs. Zimmerman. Martin was not shot willy-nilly as accused by Professor Ogletree. The evidence was clear that Martin punched Zimmerman in the nose knocking him to the ground Martin mounted Zimmerman and was beating the man when Zimmerman&#039;s gun came into play. It is interesting that prosecutor Guy said that Martin was a child who was  scared to death of the menacing Zimmerman. Two grown men could have intervened to save Zimmerman from the possible severe injury to him from having his head pounded against the sidewalk. Mr. Day&#039;s child, a fully developed athlete, kept the grown men from acting.

The neighborhood where the instant shooting occurred was volatile as indicated by the social upheaval noted by Mr. Nevins above - an excellent comment.  Recall that several people died and millions of dollars in damages resulted from the Rodney King riots. That is why Mr. King asked why we can&#039;t all get along. Getting along is made difficult when rules of inference are set aside for political expediency.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was appalled by the slant of Mr. Olson&#8217;s post that a policeman willy-nilly shot to death an unarmed black youth and left the body in the street for 4 hours. Such yarns have great appeal among our black communities, but they make little sense. There are thousands of encounters of police with black youths every day. One would expect willy-nilly shootings to have some positive rate if any at all. On the contrary, such events make CNN readily and hours of analysis follow. My understanding is that the policeman in the instant case was treated for facial injuries, so that willy-nilly is problematic. A reasonable man would want some indication as to how the policeman&#8217;s gun got out of its holster before passing any judgement at all. How did the routine encounter turn violent? </p>
<p>We saw this problem in Florida vrs. Zimmerman. Martin was not shot willy-nilly as accused by Professor Ogletree. The evidence was clear that Martin punched Zimmerman in the nose knocking him to the ground Martin mounted Zimmerman and was beating the man when Zimmerman&#8217;s gun came into play. It is interesting that prosecutor Guy said that Martin was a child who was  scared to death of the menacing Zimmerman. Two grown men could have intervened to save Zimmerman from the possible severe injury to him from having his head pounded against the sidewalk. Mr. Day&#8217;s child, a fully developed athlete, kept the grown men from acting.</p>
<p>The neighborhood where the instant shooting occurred was volatile as indicated by the social upheaval noted by Mr. Nevins above &#8211; an excellent comment.  Recall that several people died and millions of dollars in damages resulted from the Rodney King riots. That is why Mr. King asked why we can&#8217;t all get along. Getting along is made difficult when rules of inference are set aside for political expediency.</p>
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