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		By: Ron Miller		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ron Miller]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2014 15:34:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Walter, I would be interested to know where you sit on the issue of this nurse.   I&#039;m not a liberal non-libertarian.   So I&#039;m more than happy with Governor Christie decision to put her in isolation as long as there are tons of safeguards in place to make sure she is treated like a queen while in isolation.  The conservatives agree with me.  Liberals, on the other hand, seem to be applauding all of her bike rides and everything else she does to thumb her nose at the restrictions that have been suggested.

My feeling is we can temporarily take away her liberty to make sure she does not infect the rest of us even thought the science is weak that she poses any real risk.  Where do you stand on this?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Walter, I would be interested to know where you sit on the issue of this nurse.   I&#8217;m not a liberal non-libertarian.   So I&#8217;m more than happy with Governor Christie decision to put her in isolation as long as there are tons of safeguards in place to make sure she is treated like a queen while in isolation.  The conservatives agree with me.  Liberals, on the other hand, seem to be applauding all of her bike rides and everything else she does to thumb her nose at the restrictions that have been suggested.</p>
<p>My feeling is we can temporarily take away her liberty to make sure she does not infect the rest of us even thought the science is weak that she poses any real risk.  Where do you stand on this?</p>
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		By: rxc		</title>
		<link>https://www.overlawyered.com/2014/10/needed-post-frieden-cdc/comment-page-1/#comment-310532</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2014 20:22:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Although I agree with the sentiments of the posting, that the CDC is not the right place to study many of these issues, I have to agree with James that the problem with with the Congress, and not with the CDC.  As a former federal bureaucrat, I learned about how money from Congress comes in all sorts of &quot;colors&quot; - red and green and yellow, etc, and each color is designated, BY LAW, for only a particular usage.  So, the Congress decided to put money into these studies, probably to reward some group of supporters or a local university for a particular congressman.

And it is not easy to &quot;re-program&quot; (technical federal budget term) &quot;green&quot; money to spend on &quot;yellow&quot; issues.  It only gets done occasionally (maybe only onces, in fact) during a year, only with permission from the Congress, and only if the agency can make a showing that it REALLY needs to do this.  If they don&#039;t spend the money, normally it goes back to the Treasury, which is why you see massive spending activities in September.

Our political system was set up to make it hard to get anything done, so  the politicians have developed this system of mutual fiscal backscratching where everyone gets to reward their favorite supporters, and since we are such a rich country  no one gets hurt or angry.  

The issue is the activists and their publicists, who make the politicians look cruel if they don&#039;t support the activist causes.  And with our First amendment, nothing can be done about it.  And I am not advocating that anything SHOULD be done about it.  It is like gravity - it is there - deal with it.  Probably the only way to suppress it would be to have every line item appropriation tagged with the name of the congressman who sponsored it, but that will never happen, either.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although I agree with the sentiments of the posting, that the CDC is not the right place to study many of these issues, I have to agree with James that the problem with with the Congress, and not with the CDC.  As a former federal bureaucrat, I learned about how money from Congress comes in all sorts of &#8220;colors&#8221; &#8211; red and green and yellow, etc, and each color is designated, BY LAW, for only a particular usage.  So, the Congress decided to put money into these studies, probably to reward some group of supporters or a local university for a particular congressman.</p>
<p>And it is not easy to &#8220;re-program&#8221; (technical federal budget term) &#8220;green&#8221; money to spend on &#8220;yellow&#8221; issues.  It only gets done occasionally (maybe only onces, in fact) during a year, only with permission from the Congress, and only if the agency can make a showing that it REALLY needs to do this.  If they don&#8217;t spend the money, normally it goes back to the Treasury, which is why you see massive spending activities in September.</p>
<p>Our political system was set up to make it hard to get anything done, so  the politicians have developed this system of mutual fiscal backscratching where everyone gets to reward their favorite supporters, and since we are such a rich country  no one gets hurt or angry.  </p>
<p>The issue is the activists and their publicists, who make the politicians look cruel if they don&#8217;t support the activist causes.  And with our First amendment, nothing can be done about it.  And I am not advocating that anything SHOULD be done about it.  It is like gravity &#8211; it is there &#8211; deal with it.  Probably the only way to suppress it would be to have every line item appropriation tagged with the name of the congressman who sponsored it, but that will never happen, either.</p>
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		By: Barry Sheridan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2014 18:06:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[While not an American citizen I cannot help feeling that t the CDC and health authorities in the US seem to have been caught out just a little by introduction of Ebola into the CONUS. As others have noted here, as the CDC&#039;s remit has grown it seems less able to focus on threats inherent in this communicable disease, this symptom is of course common to most expanding governmental bureaucracies. It is not a good trend when having to assess and deal with dangerous diseases. Perhaps the dedicated staff of the CDC would be better just dealing with what they used to do, instead of being asked to assess the judgements and decisions of individuals social behaviour.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While not an American citizen I cannot help feeling that t the CDC and health authorities in the US seem to have been caught out just a little by introduction of Ebola into the CONUS. As others have noted here, as the CDC&#8217;s remit has grown it seems less able to focus on threats inherent in this communicable disease, this symptom is of course common to most expanding governmental bureaucracies. It is not a good trend when having to assess and deal with dangerous diseases. Perhaps the dedicated staff of the CDC would be better just dealing with what they used to do, instead of being asked to assess the judgements and decisions of individuals social behaviour.</p>
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		By: CDC — GraniteGrok		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[CDC — GraniteGrok]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2014 15:52:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		By: James		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[James]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2014 00:31:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[ras,

I would think you probably meant that someone who does not settle one place is unproductive. And I&#039;d wonder what that has to do with the CDC. As a large organization, the CDC is perfectly capable of handling both infectious diseases and other kinds as well. The National Center for Emerging and Zoonotic Infectious Diseases (one of the CDC&#039;s centers) is focused entirely on diseases like ebola.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ras,</p>
<p>I would think you probably meant that someone who does not settle one place is unproductive. And I&#8217;d wonder what that has to do with the CDC. As a large organization, the CDC is perfectly capable of handling both infectious diseases and other kinds as well. The National Center for Emerging and Zoonotic Infectious Diseases (one of the CDC&#8217;s centers) is focused entirely on diseases like ebola.</p>
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		By: VMS		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[VMS]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2014 22:31:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[What I find unusual is that Thomas Frieden, MD gave up his NYS medical registration, and I do not believe he is registered to practice medicine anywhere:
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Name : FRIEDEN THOMAS R
Address : NEW YORK NY
Profession : MEDICINE
License No: 173139
Date of Licensure : 12/02/87
Additional Qualification :  
Status : NOT REGISTERED
Registered through last day of :
Medical School: COLUMBIA UNIVERSITY     Degree Date : 05/14/1986]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I find unusual is that Thomas Frieden, MD gave up his NYS medical registration, and I do not believe he is registered to practice medicine anywhere:<br />
<a href="http://www.nysed.gov/coms/op001/opsc2a?profcd=60&#038;plicno=173139&#038;namechk=FRI" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.nysed.gov/coms/op001/opsc2a?profcd=60&#038;plicno=173139&#038;namechk=FRI</a> </p>
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<p>Name : FRIEDEN THOMAS R<br />
Address : NEW YORK NY<br />
Profession : MEDICINE<br />
License No: 173139<br />
Date of Licensure : 12/02/87<br />
Additional Qualification :<br />
Status : NOT REGISTERED<br />
Registered through last day of :<br />
Medical School: COLUMBIA UNIVERSITY     Degree Date : 05/14/1986</p>
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		By: James		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[James]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2014 20:44:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[On a more fundamental level, the way money is appropriated to the CDC makes it effectively impossible for the director to divert resources from communicable disease research to other research. For instance, the 2014 appropriations bill gives a certain amount to &quot;emerging and zoonotic infectious diseases,&quot; another amount to &quot;chronic disease prevention and health promotion,&quot; another to &quot;injury prevention and control,&quot; another to &quot;public health preparedness and response,&quot; and so on.  The party ultimately responsible for setting the overall relative priorities is Congress.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On a more fundamental level, the way money is appropriated to the CDC makes it effectively impossible for the director to divert resources from communicable disease research to other research. For instance, the 2014 appropriations bill gives a certain amount to &#8220;emerging and zoonotic infectious diseases,&#8221; another amount to &#8220;chronic disease prevention and health promotion,&#8221; another to &#8220;injury prevention and control,&#8221; another to &#8220;public health preparedness and response,&#8221; and so on.  The party ultimately responsible for setting the overall relative priorities is Congress.</p>
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		By: ras		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ras]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2014 20:33:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[James, 

If I said to you that &quot;a rolling stone gathers no moss,&quot; what would you think I meant?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James, </p>
<p>If I said to you that &#8220;a rolling stone gathers no moss,&#8221; what would you think I meant?</p>
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		By: James		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[James]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2014 19:33:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;The point is of course that the it’s the CDC, not Congress, that decides exactly where to place its focus.&quot;

While the CDC decides which individual studies take place, Congress exercises considerable control. For instance, the CDC researched sexual assault because 42 USC 280b-4 requires it to research &quot;sexual and domestic violence by and against adults, youth, and children.&quot;

If you think the CDC has been given too much discretion, the answer is to give it less. If you think its mission is too broad, the answer is for Congress to narrow it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The point is of course that the it’s the CDC, not Congress, that decides exactly where to place its focus.&#8221;</p>
<p>While the CDC decides which individual studies take place, Congress exercises considerable control. For instance, the CDC researched sexual assault because 42 USC 280b-4 requires it to research &#8220;sexual and domestic violence by and against adults, youth, and children.&#8221;</p>
<p>If you think the CDC has been given too much discretion, the answer is to give it less. If you think its mission is too broad, the answer is for Congress to narrow it.</p>
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		By: James		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[James]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2014 19:09:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[And the CDC stops you from drinking your wine how? The CDC doesn&#039;t regulate anything. It conducts research. Should it not research heart disease and let us know that drinking alcohol is a significant contributor?

I&#039;m opposed to paternalistic regulations, such as Bloomberg&#039;s absurd large soda ban, but that&#039;s just not what the CDC does. It researches the diseases that Congress tells it to, diseases that happen to kill large numbers of Americans. If that causes the CDC to be marginally less prepared to handle a rare and hard to transmit virus, I&#039;m okay with that.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And the CDC stops you from drinking your wine how? The CDC doesn&#8217;t regulate anything. It conducts research. Should it not research heart disease and let us know that drinking alcohol is a significant contributor?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m opposed to paternalistic regulations, such as Bloomberg&#8217;s absurd large soda ban, but that&#8217;s just not what the CDC does. It researches the diseases that Congress tells it to, diseases that happen to kill large numbers of Americans. If that causes the CDC to be marginally less prepared to handle a rare and hard to transmit virus, I&#8217;m okay with that.</p>
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