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		By: OBQuiet		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Dec 2014 01:14:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I think the restaurants in Boston may want to start posting this guys name and photo. 

In fact, maybe they should have a &quot;No Jerks&quot; day and simply refuse to serve ANY Harvard B School faculty for 24 hours. I know public accommodation law prohibits discrimination based on some protected classes but are employer or profession among them? Ask each patron if the work for the BS, give them a flyer explaining the reason for the protests and point out that if it is discovered that they ARE employees and lied, you will take legal action against them. Not sure what you could do. Maybe publish a menu that states HBS faculty have a minimum table charge of $10,000 to go to a pool for defending stupid legal actions and then go after them for fraud.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the restaurants in Boston may want to start posting this guys name and photo. </p>
<p>In fact, maybe they should have a &#8220;No Jerks&#8221; day and simply refuse to serve ANY Harvard B School faculty for 24 hours. I know public accommodation law prohibits discrimination based on some protected classes but are employer or profession among them? Ask each patron if the work for the BS, give them a flyer explaining the reason for the protests and point out that if it is discovered that they ARE employees and lied, you will take legal action against them. Not sure what you could do. Maybe publish a menu that states HBS faculty have a minimum table charge of $10,000 to go to a pool for defending stupid legal actions and then go after them for fraud.</p>
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		By: &#34;Large corporations are crushing smaller ones ...&#34; - Overlawyered		</title>
		<link>https://www.overlawyered.com/2014/12/harvard-b-school-prof-wages-war-chinese-restaurant/comment-page-1/#comment-315355</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[&#34;Large corporations are crushing smaller ones ...&#34; - Overlawyered]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2014 05:45:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] &#8220;&#8230; because of the economy of scale they have in managing such compliance issues.&#8221; [Coyote, in a letter to the dean of the Harvard Business School taking off on the Edelman case] [&#8230;]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] &#8220;&#8230; because of the economy of scale they have in managing such compliance issues.&#8221; [Coyote, in a letter to the dean of the Harvard Business School taking off on the Edelman case] [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: J. Myers		</title>
		<link>https://www.overlawyered.com/2014/12/harvard-b-school-prof-wages-war-chinese-restaurant/comment-page-1/#comment-314814</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[J. Myers]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Dec 2014 07:07:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I sympathize with Edelman.

Let&#039;s hypothesize a different situation (this is a real situation that happened to a friend of mine):

A senior citizen goes into her local bank and is convinced to work with a financial advisor.  The advisor says she will charge 0.75%/year to manage the client&#039;s assets.  However, she actually charges 1.0%/year, and the customer doesn&#039;t notice until years later (the percentage is never listed on the monthly statements - just a dollar amount, so it is not immediately obvious what percentage is being charged).  The overcharges amount to thousands of dollars.  The customer complains to the bank, and the bank says -- oops, sorry, and offers a refund.

What should she do?
1) Should she take it and be done with it?
2) Should the bank have to refund all the customers it overcharged?
3) Should the bank have to refund all the customers AND pay a penalty on top of it?

If you choose either 1 or 2, then the bank has a very good thing going.  It can cheat its customers at will.  If it doesn&#039;t get caught, it can keep the money.  If it does get caught, it may have to give some of the money back, but it is no worse off than if it never cheated its customers at all.  It&#039;s all upside and no downside.

OK, so I agree that this is a different situation here.  This is a small business, not a large evil bank.  But we do have general laws/principles that should apply to everyone equally (in theory, if not in practice).  So where do we draw the line?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I sympathize with Edelman.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s hypothesize a different situation (this is a real situation that happened to a friend of mine):</p>
<p>A senior citizen goes into her local bank and is convinced to work with a financial advisor.  The advisor says she will charge 0.75%/year to manage the client&#8217;s assets.  However, she actually charges 1.0%/year, and the customer doesn&#8217;t notice until years later (the percentage is never listed on the monthly statements &#8211; just a dollar amount, so it is not immediately obvious what percentage is being charged).  The overcharges amount to thousands of dollars.  The customer complains to the bank, and the bank says &#8212; oops, sorry, and offers a refund.</p>
<p>What should she do?<br />
1) Should she take it and be done with it?<br />
2) Should the bank have to refund all the customers it overcharged?<br />
3) Should the bank have to refund all the customers AND pay a penalty on top of it?</p>
<p>If you choose either 1 or 2, then the bank has a very good thing going.  It can cheat its customers at will.  If it doesn&#8217;t get caught, it can keep the money.  If it does get caught, it may have to give some of the money back, but it is no worse off than if it never cheated its customers at all.  It&#8217;s all upside and no downside.</p>
<p>OK, so I agree that this is a different situation here.  This is a small business, not a large evil bank.  But we do have general laws/principles that should apply to everyone equally (in theory, if not in practice).  So where do we draw the line?</p>
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		By: Fight to the death: Harvard prof takes on Chinese restaurant over $4 &#124; National Post		</title>
		<link>https://www.overlawyered.com/2014/12/harvard-b-school-prof-wages-war-chinese-restaurant/comment-page-1/#comment-314686</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Fight to the death: Harvard prof takes on Chinese restaurant over $4 &#124; National Post]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2014 12:00:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] the website Overlawyered — Tag line: Chronicling the high cost of our legal system — Walter Olson wonders if Prof. Edelman wants to become its poster [&#8230;]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] the website Overlawyered — Tag line: Chronicling the high cost of our legal system — Walter Olson wonders if Prof. Edelman wants to become its poster [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: WRT		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[WRT]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2014 00:08:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The professor is a smart guy who researches/lectures re web analytics, meta data and other business tech issues. I am surprised he hasn&#039;t announced it was all a big experiment into Streisand Effects and the ability of the web to hurt your brand...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The professor is a smart guy who researches/lectures re web analytics, meta data and other business tech issues. I am surprised he hasn&#8217;t announced it was all a big experiment into Streisand Effects and the ability of the web to hurt your brand&#8230;</p>
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		By: gitarcarver		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2014 22:59:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m sorry, but isn&#039;t there some sort of duty of the customer to check what they are being charged before paying the bill?

By that I mean this is not a case where a car repair shop advertises an oil change at $20 and then charges $30 and won&#039;t give you your car back until you pay the additional money. 

This was an internet take out order which meant that when Edelman had not eaten the food (in the restaurant) or even had it delivered.  Instead, he hadn&#039;t gotten his food yet when he paid for it.  No one was holding his cash or credit card hostage forcing him to pay the higher bill.  

When he hands over the cash / check / credit card to the cashier and picks up his order, isn&#039;t he saying &quot;I agree to the charges as listed here?&quot;

I guess what I am wondering is that he agreed to the terms of the deal and now wants to penalize the restaurant far beyond the value of his food and the so difference in price.  

I always look at my receipts before signing them or handing over cash.  

Am I smarter and better than a Harvard professor who cannot see that his bill was higher than expected and yet agreed to pay the higher rate?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sorry, but isn&#8217;t there some sort of duty of the customer to check what they are being charged before paying the bill?</p>
<p>By that I mean this is not a case where a car repair shop advertises an oil change at $20 and then charges $30 and won&#8217;t give you your car back until you pay the additional money. </p>
<p>This was an internet take out order which meant that when Edelman had not eaten the food (in the restaurant) or even had it delivered.  Instead, he hadn&#8217;t gotten his food yet when he paid for it.  No one was holding his cash or credit card hostage forcing him to pay the higher bill.  </p>
<p>When he hands over the cash / check / credit card to the cashier and picks up his order, isn&#8217;t he saying &#8220;I agree to the charges as listed here?&#8221;</p>
<p>I guess what I am wondering is that he agreed to the terms of the deal and now wants to penalize the restaurant far beyond the value of his food and the so difference in price.  </p>
<p>I always look at my receipts before signing them or handing over cash.  </p>
<p>Am I smarter and better than a Harvard professor who cannot see that his bill was higher than expected and yet agreed to pay the higher rate?</p>
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		By: DensityDuck		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[DensityDuck]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2014 20:56:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This sounds like one of those things where the end result is a legal requirement that every takeout menu or online-menu webpage have a big heavy-bordered box with text reading &quot;THE PRICES ON THIS MENU WERE CURRENT AT THE TIME OF PRINTING.  FOR THE MOST UP TO DATE PRICES, CHECK WITH THE RESTAURANT.  CUSTOMERS WHO FEEL THAT THEY ARE UNFAIRLY OVERCHARGED SHOULD CONTACT THE LOCAL BUSINESS LICENSING ORGANISATION.&quot;

And no actual restitution for any actual harm; just more pain-in-the-ass because somebody got his butt hurt.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This sounds like one of those things where the end result is a legal requirement that every takeout menu or online-menu webpage have a big heavy-bordered box with text reading &#8220;THE PRICES ON THIS MENU WERE CURRENT AT THE TIME OF PRINTING.  FOR THE MOST UP TO DATE PRICES, CHECK WITH THE RESTAURANT.  CUSTOMERS WHO FEEL THAT THEY ARE UNFAIRLY OVERCHARGED SHOULD CONTACT THE LOCAL BUSINESS LICENSING ORGANISATION.&#8221;</p>
<p>And no actual restitution for any actual harm; just more pain-in-the-ass because somebody got his butt hurt.</p>
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		By: Walter Olson		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Walter Olson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2014 18:26:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Not to give the professor any ideas, but the web is full of free, often amateurishly done business directories that make little effort to update listings. In my town, visitors regularly arrive in search of defunct businesses whose online listings live on, including a bed and breakfast that closed at least five years ago.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not to give the professor any ideas, but the web is full of free, often amateurishly done business directories that make little effort to update listings. In my town, visitors regularly arrive in search of defunct businesses whose online listings live on, including a bed and breakfast that closed at least five years ago.</p>
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		By: DEM		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[DEM]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2014 18:08:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I wonder if, in the pre-internet days, anyone ever ordered takeout from an outdated Chinese menu?  The horror.  Hopefully, if that happened, treble damages were available.

Of course, everyone knows that websites are different from printed menus, and that everything on the net is always up-to-date and reliable.  It reminds me of a trip to San Fran a few years back.  We decided to walk a mile or so to the Toronado, a famous bar on Haight.  My lady friend was very excited about a particular beer included in their on-line beer list.  She ordered it when we arrived, only to be told &quot;oh we never update that and haven&#039;t had that beer in a long time.&quot;  Where was Edelman when I needed him?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if, in the pre-internet days, anyone ever ordered takeout from an outdated Chinese menu?  The horror.  Hopefully, if that happened, treble damages were available.</p>
<p>Of course, everyone knows that websites are different from printed menus, and that everything on the net is always up-to-date and reliable.  It reminds me of a trip to San Fran a few years back.  We decided to walk a mile or so to the Toronado, a famous bar on Haight.  My lady friend was very excited about a particular beer included in their on-line beer list.  She ordered it when we arrived, only to be told &#8220;oh we never update that and haven&#8217;t had that beer in a long time.&#8221;  Where was Edelman when I needed him?</p>
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		By: Walter Olson		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Walter Olson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2014 18:03:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[From WRT&#039;s interesting followup clip: &quot;People here are really amazing and smart and supportive and humble.&quot; Not sure that&#039;s going to suffice to &quot;flip the script,&quot; especially when the organizer actually comes out and uses a P.R. cliche like &quot;flip the script.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From WRT&#8217;s interesting followup clip: &#8220;People here are really amazing and smart and supportive and humble.&#8221; Not sure that&#8217;s going to suffice to &#8220;flip the script,&#8221; especially when the organizer actually comes out and uses a P.R. cliche like &#8220;flip the script.&#8221;</p>
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