Comments on: “We don’t have to prove that the person is guilty…. It’s that the money is presumed to be guilty.” https://www.overlawyered.com/2015/05/we-dont-have-to-prove-that-the-person-is-guilty-its-that-the-money-is-presumed-to-be-guilty/ Chronicling the high cost of our legal system Wed, 13 May 2015 14:23:14 +0000 hourly 1 By: A Quick Survey Of The Internet This Morning « CBS Connecticut https://www.overlawyered.com/2015/05/we-dont-have-to-prove-that-the-person-is-guilty-its-that-the-money-is-presumed-to-be-guilty/comment-page-1/#comment-323436 Wed, 13 May 2015 14:23:14 +0000 http://overlawyered.com/?p=52992#comment-323436 […] was a guest on Wednesday’s show, to discuss the latest abuses of asset forfeiture, in this case, by the DEA. So it would seem money is the root of all evil. Fact is, seized assets are used by […]

]]> By: marco https://www.overlawyered.com/2015/05/we-dont-have-to-prove-that-the-person-is-guilty-its-that-the-money-is-presumed-to-be-guilty/comment-page-1/#comment-323405 Tue, 12 May 2015 17:53:57 +0000 http://overlawyered.com/?p=52992#comment-323405 Well, why did Willie Sutton rob banks? Because that is where the money is.
Why would a government agent try to put someone in jail, which will cost the state money to house and feed, when the government agent can just grab some money under whatever pretenses (forfeiture, structuring, blah blah), and the state comes out ahead?

]]> By: Regret https://www.overlawyered.com/2015/05/we-dont-have-to-prove-that-the-person-is-guilty-its-that-the-money-is-presumed-to-be-guilty/comment-page-1/#comment-323381 Tue, 12 May 2015 03:59:25 +0000 http://overlawyered.com/?p=52992#comment-323381 I think you need a better category name for forfeiture stories, how about “do do process”?

]]> By: MattS https://www.overlawyered.com/2015/05/we-dont-have-to-prove-that-the-person-is-guilty-its-that-the-money-is-presumed-to-be-guilty/comment-page-1/#comment-323378 Tue, 12 May 2015 01:17:49 +0000 http://overlawyered.com/?p=52992#comment-323378 “What feelings has people destroy a man’s life for a technicality.”

Megalomania

Superiority

Invulnerability (to consequences)

Righteousness

]]> By: ras https://www.overlawyered.com/2015/05/we-dont-have-to-prove-that-the-person-is-guilty-its-that-the-money-is-presumed-to-be-guilty/comment-page-1/#comment-323376 Tue, 12 May 2015 00:59:02 +0000 http://overlawyered.com/?p=52992#comment-323376 So the police pension funds could be seized the same way in the future, cuz it’s the money that’s guilty?

]]> By: William Nuesslein https://www.overlawyered.com/2015/05/we-dont-have-to-prove-that-the-person-is-guilty-its-that-the-money-is-presumed-to-be-guilty/comment-page-1/#comment-323364 Mon, 11 May 2015 17:33:31 +0000 http://overlawyered.com/?p=52992#comment-323364 I wonder what is meant by “But publicity about it doesn’t help. It just ratchets up feelings in the agency.”.

What feelings has people destroy a man’s life for a technicality. Lois Lerner was a hard working bureaucrat caught up in Republican crazy. The crazy woman who prosecuted the Freidman case was elected to congress. These are crazy times. Law and process broke down, and rational argument is a museum piece.

]]> By: gasman https://www.overlawyered.com/2015/05/we-dont-have-to-prove-that-the-person-is-guilty-its-that-the-money-is-presumed-to-be-guilty/comment-page-1/#comment-323360 Mon, 11 May 2015 16:45:19 +0000 http://overlawyered.com/?p=52992#comment-323360 So the money gets a life sentence every time. Dang, that’s stiff.
Perhaps public defenders should be assigned to the money. The money is indigent after all, as the prosector is not about to allow the money to spend itself

]]> By: DEM https://www.overlawyered.com/2015/05/we-dont-have-to-prove-that-the-person-is-guilty-its-that-the-money-is-presumed-to-be-guilty/comment-page-1/#comment-323356 Mon, 11 May 2015 15:06:08 +0000 http://overlawyered.com/?p=52992#comment-323356 “Your client needs to resolve this or litigate it,” Mr. West wrote. “But publicity about it doesn’t help. It just ratchets up feelings in the agency.”

Hard evidence that the bureaucracy protects itself first. The public interest is a (distant) second to their interests in job protection. Yet so many — mostly on the left — continue to pretend that our vast administrative agencies be trusted to not only faithfully and impartially enforce the law, but to make the majority of new laws.

]]> By: SPO https://www.overlawyered.com/2015/05/we-dont-have-to-prove-that-the-person-is-guilty-its-that-the-money-is-presumed-to-be-guilty/comment-page-1/#comment-323351 Mon, 11 May 2015 13:18:03 +0000 http://overlawyered.com/?p=52992#comment-323351 Mr. West’s comments are hard evidence of inappropriate behavior. The “feelings” of the agency are, or should be, irrelevant. West should be fired, and he should lose his ticket for unethical behavior.

Hopefully, the case will be litigated and a federal judge will have the decency to ask hard questions of Mr. West.

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