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		By: MattS		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MattS]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2016 15:23:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.overlawyered.com/2016/01/crime-and-punishment-roundup-5/comment-page-1/#comment-332520&quot;&gt;Hugo S Cunningham&lt;/a&gt;.

The felony murder rule has never been what you thought.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felony_murder_rule

Bold is mine for emphasis.
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The rule of felony murder is a legal doctrine in some common law jurisdictions that broadens the crime of murder in two ways. First, when an offender kills (regardless of accidentally or without specific intent to kill) in the commission of a dangerous or enumerated crime (called a felony in some jurisdictions), he/she is guilty of murder. Second, it makes any participant in such an offence criminally liable for &lt;strong&gt;any deaths that occur during&lt;/strong&gt; or in furtherance of that offence. In short, deaths that occur in the commission of a dangerous offence or enumerated offence (enumerated = stated in statute, e.g. rape, etc.) is murder.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.overlawyered.com/2016/01/crime-and-punishment-roundup-5/comment-page-1/#comment-332520">Hugo S Cunningham</a>.</p>
<p>The felony murder rule has never been what you thought.</p>
<p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felony_murder_rule" rel="nofollow ugc">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felony_murder_rule</a></p>
<p>Bold is mine for emphasis.</p>
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The rule of felony murder is a legal doctrine in some common law jurisdictions that broadens the crime of murder in two ways. First, when an offender kills (regardless of accidentally or without specific intent to kill) in the commission of a dangerous or enumerated crime (called a felony in some jurisdictions), he/she is guilty of murder. Second, it makes any participant in such an offence criminally liable for <strong>any deaths that occur during</strong> or in furtherance of that offence. In short, deaths that occur in the commission of a dangerous offence or enumerated offence (enumerated = stated in statute, e.g. rape, etc.) is murder.
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		By: Hugo S Cunningham		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hugo S Cunningham]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2016 06:22:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@ Matt-- Has felony-murder law really gotten that bad?  I thought it was for a case like:
I burgle an occupied home at night and exchange gunshots with the homeowner.  I cannot claim I killed him in self defense.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Matt&#8211; Has felony-murder law really gotten that bad?  I thought it was for a case like:<br />
I burgle an occupied home at night and exchange gunshots with the homeowner.  I cannot claim I killed him in self defense.</p>
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		By: MattS		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MattS]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2016 22:26:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.overlawyered.com/2016/01/crime-and-punishment-roundup-5/comment-page-1/#comment-332506&quot;&gt;David C&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;Felony murder is a stupid concept anyway. &quot;

Agreed.

&quot;We already have manslaughter for those cases where a death wasn’t intended but was caused by the defendant. &quot;

Felony murder is for cases where the death wasn&#039;t caused by the defendant.

You and a partner rob a bank, A bank guard shoots your partner.  Congratulations, under the felony murder rule you are guilty of murdering your partner.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.overlawyered.com/2016/01/crime-and-punishment-roundup-5/comment-page-1/#comment-332506">David C</a>.</p>
<p>&#8220;Felony murder is a stupid concept anyway. &#8221;</p>
<p>Agreed.</p>
<p>&#8220;We already have manslaughter for those cases where a death wasn’t intended but was caused by the defendant. &#8221;</p>
<p>Felony murder is for cases where the death wasn&#8217;t caused by the defendant.</p>
<p>You and a partner rob a bank, A bank guard shoots your partner.  Congratulations, under the felony murder rule you are guilty of murdering your partner.</p>
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		By: David C		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David C]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2016 19:53:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.overlawyered.com/2016/01/crime-and-punishment-roundup-5/comment-page-1/#comment-332482&quot;&gt;Mark Biggar&lt;/a&gt;.

The New York felony murder law only applies to certain felonies, and while a DUI may in some cases by a felony, it&#039;s not on the list of felony murder felonies.

Felony murder is a stupid concept anyway.  We already have manslaughter for those cases where a death wasn&#039;t intended but was caused by the defendant.  And the manslaughter law is already stretched to the point where it may or may not cover THIS case.  Felony murder allows it to be stretched even farther than that.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.overlawyered.com/2016/01/crime-and-punishment-roundup-5/comment-page-1/#comment-332482">Mark Biggar</a>.</p>
<p>The New York felony murder law only applies to certain felonies, and while a DUI may in some cases by a felony, it&#8217;s not on the list of felony murder felonies.</p>
<p>Felony murder is a stupid concept anyway.  We already have manslaughter for those cases where a death wasn&#8217;t intended but was caused by the defendant.  And the manslaughter law is already stretched to the point where it may or may not cover THIS case.  Felony murder allows it to be stretched even farther than that.</p>
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		By: MattS		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MattS]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2016 21:31:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.overlawyered.com/2016/01/crime-and-punishment-roundup-5/comment-page-1/#comment-332482&quot;&gt;Mark Biggar&lt;/a&gt;.

but the felony murder rule only applies when a death occurs while the felony is in progress.  Once the accident was over and all the involved cars had come to a complete stop, the DUI was over and there was no felony in progress at the point where the officer was hit be another driver not involved in the original accident.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.overlawyered.com/2016/01/crime-and-punishment-roundup-5/comment-page-1/#comment-332482">Mark Biggar</a>.</p>
<p>but the felony murder rule only applies when a death occurs while the felony is in progress.  Once the accident was over and all the involved cars had come to a complete stop, the DUI was over and there was no felony in progress at the point where the officer was hit be another driver not involved in the original accident.</p>
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		By: Mark Biggar		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mark Biggar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2016 18:34:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[If you make DUI a felony then to felony-murder rule should apply.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you make DUI a felony then to felony-murder rule should apply.</p>
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		By: Benjamin		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Benjamin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2016 18:52:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The people vs Ryan case seems a bit of a stretch.  The law requires you to stop in the case of an accident.  He should be charged for the DWI and the first accident.  The fact that the police officer arresting him for DWI was hit by a car was out of the control of Ryan.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The people vs Ryan case seems a bit of a stretch.  The law requires you to stop in the case of an accident.  He should be charged for the DWI and the first accident.  The fact that the police officer arresting him for DWI was hit by a car was out of the control of Ryan.</p>
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		By: Bumper		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bumper]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2016 18:42:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[If the Supreme Court is so worried about teenage murders having a second chance they should be all over this fairly obvious injustice. Or is underage sex worse than murder?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the Supreme Court is so worried about teenage murders having a second chance they should be all over this fairly obvious injustice. Or is underage sex worse than murder?</p>
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