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		By: Bob Gourley Featured in CSO Online Art of the Hack - CTOvision.com		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob Gourley Featured in CSO Online Art of the Hack - CTOvision.com]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] &#034;How collective bargaining undermines cybersecurity&#034; (overlawyered.com) [&#8230;]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] &quot;How collective bargaining undermines cybersecurity&quot; (overlawyered.com) [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: James Salsman		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[James Salsman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Mar 2016 15:57:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The government lost to NLRB because real cybersecurity requires FLOSS OS invulnerable to consumer malware.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The government lost to NLRB because real cybersecurity requires FLOSS OS invulnerable to consumer malware.</p>
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		By: Allan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Allan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Mar 2016 13:47:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.overlawyered.com/2016/03/how-collective-bargaining-undermines-cybersecurity/comment-page-1/#comment-334635&quot;&gt;MattS&lt;/a&gt;.

MattS,

You make a good point and that is the issue that should be debated.  Unfortunately, the Washington Times article misses the point completely.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.overlawyered.com/2016/03/how-collective-bargaining-undermines-cybersecurity/comment-page-1/#comment-334635">MattS</a>.</p>
<p>MattS,</p>
<p>You make a good point and that is the issue that should be debated.  Unfortunately, the Washington Times article misses the point completely.</p>
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		By: MattS		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MattS]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Mar 2016 00:10:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.overlawyered.com/2016/03/how-collective-bargaining-undermines-cybersecurity/comment-page-1/#comment-334593&quot;&gt;Allan&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;Basically, for certain things, the law mandates that the management offer the union the chance to negotiate how to implement changes in the workplace.&quot;

Security of government systems/facilities should absolutely not be one of those things.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.overlawyered.com/2016/03/how-collective-bargaining-undermines-cybersecurity/comment-page-1/#comment-334593">Allan</a>.</p>
<p>&#8220;Basically, for certain things, the law mandates that the management offer the union the chance to negotiate how to implement changes in the workplace.&#8221;</p>
<p>Security of government systems/facilities should absolutely not be one of those things.</p>
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		By: Tonestaple		</title>
		<link>https://www.overlawyered.com/2016/03/how-collective-bargaining-undermines-cybersecurity/comment-page-1/#comment-334632</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tonestaple]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Mar 2016 22:26:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Labor negotiations aside, just how dumb are the people working for ICE and State and probably the rest of the government.  I use free email from a well-known name, and I have never once gotten any kind of virus on my home computer.  No virus, no spyware, no nothing, just by not opening emails from people I don&#039;t know.  Our country is sliding away because people are too damn dumb to care what they do and who they hurt when doing it.  I really do have to wonder who ties their shoes for them every morning.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Labor negotiations aside, just how dumb are the people working for ICE and State and probably the rest of the government.  I use free email from a well-known name, and I have never once gotten any kind of virus on my home computer.  No virus, no spyware, no nothing, just by not opening emails from people I don&#8217;t know.  Our country is sliding away because people are too damn dumb to care what they do and who they hurt when doing it.  I really do have to wonder who ties their shoes for them every morning.</p>
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		By: David		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Mar 2016 20:44:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The State Department might need to more closely regulate the use of private email by employees and officers? I cannot believe it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The State Department might need to more closely regulate the use of private email by employees and officers? I cannot believe it.</p>
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		By: Allan		</title>
		<link>https://www.overlawyered.com/2016/03/how-collective-bargaining-undermines-cybersecurity/comment-page-1/#comment-334593</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Allan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Mar 2016 20:38:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The Washington Times article is very misleading.

Basically, for certain things, the law mandates that the management offer the union the chance to negotiate how to implement changes in the workplace.  In other things, there is no duty to negotiate.

The grievance is over impact and implementation of the edict, not the edict itself. Argue amongst yourselves what Congress intended.  But if, as the FLRA found, Congress did not intend to exempt this from bargaining, blame Congress, not the unions.

There certainly is a relatively easy fix.  Or there would be if Congress could ever agree on something.

This is the penultimate paragraph of the majority FLRA opinion:  http://src.bna.com/c0Z

Finally, we note that the Arbitrator did not direct the Agency to restore employees’ access to webmail, or to bargain over the substance of the change; he directed bargaining over only the impact and implementation of that change. Thus, nothing in the award or our decision requires the Agency to bargain over proposals that actually conflict with law or government-wide regulation, including FISMA. Rather, we hold only that the Agency has not demonstrated that the cited provisions of FISMA foreclose bargaining altogether.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Washington Times article is very misleading.</p>
<p>Basically, for certain things, the law mandates that the management offer the union the chance to negotiate how to implement changes in the workplace.  In other things, there is no duty to negotiate.</p>
<p>The grievance is over impact and implementation of the edict, not the edict itself. Argue amongst yourselves what Congress intended.  But if, as the FLRA found, Congress did not intend to exempt this from bargaining, blame Congress, not the unions.</p>
<p>There certainly is a relatively easy fix.  Or there would be if Congress could ever agree on something.</p>
<p>This is the penultimate paragraph of the majority FLRA opinion:  <a href="http://src.bna.com/c0Z" rel="nofollow ugc">http://src.bna.com/c0Z</a></p>
<p>Finally, we note that the Arbitrator did not direct the Agency to restore employees’ access to webmail, or to bargain over the substance of the change; he directed bargaining over only the impact and implementation of that change. Thus, nothing in the award or our decision requires the Agency to bargain over proposals that actually conflict with law or government-wide regulation, including FISMA. Rather, we hold only that the Agency has not demonstrated that the cited provisions of FISMA foreclose bargaining altogether.</p>
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		By: mojo		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mojo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Mar 2016 19:56:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Stupid. I used to routinely block all outbound mail protocols, and flag them in seclog. Same as for anonymizing proxies.

Not your system, big shot.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stupid. I used to routinely block all outbound mail protocols, and flag them in seclog. Same as for anonymizing proxies.</p>
<p>Not your system, big shot.</p>
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		By: DensityDuck		</title>
		<link>https://www.overlawyered.com/2016/03/how-collective-bargaining-undermines-cybersecurity/comment-page-1/#comment-334589</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[DensityDuck]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Mar 2016 16:50:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Heh.  next there&#039;ll be a grievance over unsafe working conditions.  &quot;accessed banking site at work, keylogger stole my password, employer failed to properly secure information infrastructure...&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heh.  next there&#8217;ll be a grievance over unsafe working conditions.  &#8220;accessed banking site at work, keylogger stole my password, employer failed to properly secure information infrastructure&#8230;&#8221;</p>
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