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		By: Walter Olson		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Walter Olson]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.overlawyered.com/2016/12/free-speech-roundup-66/comment-page-1/#comment-343347&quot;&gt;great unknown&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;This would appear to be a legitimate suit.&quot; You show great confidence in the merits of this still-unfiled action. In a suit by Trump, as in any other defamation suit filed by a public figure, three outcomes are readily imaginable: plaintiff wins, defendant wins but case is colorable enough not to trigger sanctions, and defendant wins and court further determines that plaintiff filed it without a reasonable basis or otherwise in violation of a state anti-SLAPP statute. If you are right that Trump&#039;s case will pose no particular difficulties of proof even under the Sullivan public figure threshold of actual malice, well, then, being headed toward victory on the merits he needn&#039;t worry about sanctions. I think Turkewitz is raising the possibility that a judge will not view the merits as favorably as you do, and if not, a sanctions issue might arise. 

We do know from Trump&#039;s own mouth that he has filed defamation suits from motives other than an expectation of victory at trial. To quote a report from March, Trump &quot;said in an interview that he knew he couldn’t win the suit [against biographer Timothy O&#039;Brien] but brought it anyway to make a point. “I spent a couple of bucks on legal fees, and they spent a whole lot more. I did it to make his life miserable, which I’m happy about.” (reference: https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/that-time-trump-sued-over-the-size-of-hiswallet/2016/03/08/785dee3e-e4c2-11e5-b0fd-073d5930a7b7_story.html?utm_term=.558f01bde172 )]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.overlawyered.com/2016/12/free-speech-roundup-66/comment-page-1/#comment-343347">great unknown</a>.</p>
<p>&#8220;This would appear to be a legitimate suit.&#8221; You show great confidence in the merits of this still-unfiled action. In a suit by Trump, as in any other defamation suit filed by a public figure, three outcomes are readily imaginable: plaintiff wins, defendant wins but case is colorable enough not to trigger sanctions, and defendant wins and court further determines that plaintiff filed it without a reasonable basis or otherwise in violation of a state anti-SLAPP statute. If you are right that Trump&#8217;s case will pose no particular difficulties of proof even under the Sullivan public figure threshold of actual malice, well, then, being headed toward victory on the merits he needn&#8217;t worry about sanctions. I think Turkewitz is raising the possibility that a judge will not view the merits as favorably as you do, and if not, a sanctions issue might arise. </p>
<p>We do know from Trump&#8217;s own mouth that he has filed defamation suits from motives other than an expectation of victory at trial. To quote a report from March, Trump &#8220;said in an interview that he knew he couldn’t win the suit [against biographer Timothy O&#8217;Brien] but brought it anyway to make a point. “I spent a couple of bucks on legal fees, and they spent a whole lot more. I did it to make his life miserable, which I’m happy about.” (reference: <a href="https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/that-time-trump-sued-over-the-size-of-hiswallet/2016/03/08/785dee3e-e4c2-11e5-b0fd-073d5930a7b7_story.html?utm_term=.558f01bde172" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/that-time-trump-sued-over-the-size-of-hiswallet/2016/03/08/785dee3e-e4c2-11e5-b0fd-073d5930a7b7_story.html?utm_term=.558f01bde172</a> )</p>
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		By: great unknown		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[great unknown]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Dec 2016 17:00:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.overlawyered.com/2016/12/free-speech-roundup-66/comment-page-1/#comment-343346&quot;&gt;Walter Olson&lt;/a&gt;.

Precisely.  Under Sullivan, why should Trump be subject to sanctions for suing the press for defamation?  This would appear to be a legitimate suit.  Indeed, it should not be difficult for him to prove malice.

So why does Turkewitz claim that such a suit would be subject to sanctions?

Unless, by sanctions, you mean that the Supreme Court would sanction - i.e., approve - such a suit.

Or is there something I&#039;m missing here?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.overlawyered.com/2016/12/free-speech-roundup-66/comment-page-1/#comment-343346">Walter Olson</a>.</p>
<p>Precisely.  Under Sullivan, why should Trump be subject to sanctions for suing the press for defamation?  This would appear to be a legitimate suit.  Indeed, it should not be difficult for him to prove malice.</p>
<p>So why does Turkewitz claim that such a suit would be subject to sanctions?</p>
<p>Unless, by sanctions, you mean that the Supreme Court would sanction &#8211; i.e., approve &#8211; such a suit.</p>
<p>Or is there something I&#8217;m missing here?</p>
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		By: Walter Olson		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Walter Olson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Dec 2016 15:29:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.overlawyered.com/2016/12/free-speech-roundup-66/comment-page-1/#comment-343345&quot;&gt;great unknown&lt;/a&gt;.

&gt;your question – and the Turkewitz article – implies that somehow Sullivan does not apply to presidential candidates.

I have no idea what this means. Sullivan recognizes a category of public figures, but it does not bar defamation suits by them, even if it holds them to a more demanding standard than it does private figures; a winning or losing presidential candidate, White House adviser, or other public figure can sue under Sullivan and under some circumstances win. 

I also think the phrase &quot;his destruction of their arrogated superiority&quot; begs about three separate questions, but that&#039;s not a legal question, so let that pass.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.overlawyered.com/2016/12/free-speech-roundup-66/comment-page-1/#comment-343345">great unknown</a>.</p>
<p>>your question – and the Turkewitz article – implies that somehow Sullivan does not apply to presidential candidates.</p>
<p>I have no idea what this means. Sullivan recognizes a category of public figures, but it does not bar defamation suits by them, even if it holds them to a more demanding standard than it does private figures; a winning or losing presidential candidate, White House adviser, or other public figure can sue under Sullivan and under some circumstances win. </p>
<p>I also think the phrase &#8220;his destruction of their arrogated superiority&#8221; begs about three separate questions, but that&#8217;s not a legal question, so let that pass.</p>
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		By: great unknown		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Dec 2016 15:05:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[President-Elect Trump has no need to sue the press; his destruction of their arrogated superiority is sufficient punishment.  However, your question - and the Turkewitz article - implies that somehow Sullivan does not apply to presidential candidates.

However, there are many others who seem to have strong grounds for defamation suits: Steve Bannon comes to mind immediately.  It seems that in his case, the Sullivan standards have been ignored, violated, and trampled into the mud.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>President-Elect Trump has no need to sue the press; his destruction of their arrogated superiority is sufficient punishment.  However, your question &#8211; and the Turkewitz article &#8211; implies that somehow Sullivan does not apply to presidential candidates.</p>
<p>However, there are many others who seem to have strong grounds for defamation suits: Steve Bannon comes to mind immediately.  It seems that in his case, the Sullivan standards have been ignored, violated, and trampled into the mud.</p>
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