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	Comments on: L.A. bans criminal record inquiries in hiring, even for non-L.A. employers	</title>
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		By: Noncenx		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Noncenx]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jan 2017 00:24:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.overlawyered.com/2017/01/l-bans-criminal-record-inquiries-hiring-even-non-l-employers/comment-page-1/#comment-343669&quot;&gt;Fox2!&lt;/a&gt;.

I have to admit, Emily was great!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.overlawyered.com/2017/01/l-bans-criminal-record-inquiries-hiring-even-non-l-employers/comment-page-1/#comment-343669">Fox2!</a>.</p>
<p>I have to admit, Emily was great!</p>
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		By: MattS		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MattS]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jan 2017 07:10:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.overlawyered.com/2017/01/l-bans-criminal-record-inquiries-hiring-even-non-l-employers/comment-page-1/#comment-343674&quot;&gt;CarLitGuy&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;There are no Trappist monasteries in the mountains of Colorado.&quot;

You are mistaken.  

St. Benedict&#039;s Monastery in Snowmass, Colorado, United States (Monks)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trappists#North_America]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.overlawyered.com/2017/01/l-bans-criminal-record-inquiries-hiring-even-non-l-employers/comment-page-1/#comment-343674">CarLitGuy</a>.</p>
<p>&#8220;There are no Trappist monasteries in the mountains of Colorado.&#8221;</p>
<p>You are mistaken.  </p>
<p>St. Benedict&#8217;s Monastery in Snowmass, Colorado, United States (Monks)</p>
<p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trappists#North_America" rel="nofollow ugc">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trappists#North_America</a></p>
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		By: CarLitGuy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[CarLitGuy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jan 2017 00:33:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.overlawyered.com/2017/01/l-bans-criminal-record-inquiries-hiring-even-non-l-employers/comment-page-1/#comment-343671&quot;&gt;Fox 2!&lt;/a&gt;.

There are no Trappist monasteries in the mountains of Colorado.  However, if you were to share their brewing recipes with me, I could be encouraged to look the other way.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.overlawyered.com/2017/01/l-bans-criminal-record-inquiries-hiring-even-non-l-employers/comment-page-1/#comment-343671">Fox 2!</a>.</p>
<p>There are no Trappist monasteries in the mountains of Colorado.  However, if you were to share their brewing recipes with me, I could be encouraged to look the other way.</p>
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		By: Fox 2!		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Fox 2!]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jan 2017 22:08:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.overlawyered.com/2017/01/l-bans-criminal-record-inquiries-hiring-even-non-l-employers/comment-page-1/#comment-343657&quot;&gt;ras&lt;/a&gt;.

Trappist monastery in the mountains of Colorado.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.overlawyered.com/2017/01/l-bans-criminal-record-inquiries-hiring-even-non-l-employers/comment-page-1/#comment-343657">ras</a>.</p>
<p>Trappist monastery in the mountains of Colorado.</p>
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		By: Fox 2!		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Fox 2!]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jan 2017 22:06:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.overlawyered.com/2017/01/l-bans-criminal-record-inquiries-hiring-even-non-l-employers/comment-page-1/#comment-343655&quot;&gt;MattS&lt;/a&gt;.

They can be, at least in some areas. 

The exemption for positions requiring access to weapons would cover at least all sworn positions. Non-sworn positions might be open to litigation.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.overlawyered.com/2017/01/l-bans-criminal-record-inquiries-hiring-even-non-l-employers/comment-page-1/#comment-343655">MattS</a>.</p>
<p>They can be, at least in some areas. </p>
<p>The exemption for positions requiring access to weapons would cover at least all sworn positions. Non-sworn positions might be open to litigation.</p>
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		By: Fox2!		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Fox2!]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jan 2017 22:02:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.overlawyered.com/2017/01/l-bans-criminal-record-inquiries-hiring-even-non-l-employers/comment-page-1/#comment-343653&quot;&gt;Fox2!&lt;/a&gt;.

I saw after submitting this comment that the ordinance does not apply to any position requiring access to ordnance. So military recruiters are not affected. 

To quote the late, great Emily Litella, &quot;Never mind,&quot; at least for this concern.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.overlawyered.com/2017/01/l-bans-criminal-record-inquiries-hiring-even-non-l-employers/comment-page-1/#comment-343653">Fox2!</a>.</p>
<p>I saw after submitting this comment that the ordinance does not apply to any position requiring access to ordnance. So military recruiters are not affected. </p>
<p>To quote the late, great Emily Litella, &#8220;Never mind,&#8221; at least for this concern.</p>
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		By: Wfjag		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wfjag]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jan 2017 18:06:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Easy solution: Only interview and hire in Arizona, and after an initial training period, transfer to L.A. Smaller firms can contract out screening and hiring. Or, better yet, just move to someplace that welcomes businesses.

It&#039;s another piece of Texas Full Employment legislation.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Easy solution: Only interview and hire in Arizona, and after an initial training period, transfer to L.A. Smaller firms can contract out screening and hiring. Or, better yet, just move to someplace that welcomes businesses.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s another piece of Texas Full Employment legislation.</p>
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		By: gitarcarver		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[gitarcarver]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jan 2017 18:03:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[One other thing.....

For public housing, the City of Los Angeles requires:

&lt;i&gt;All adult members of the household must pass a criminal background check &lt;/i&gt;

http://www.hacla.org/apply-public-housing/applyforph]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One other thing&#8230;..</p>
<p>For public housing, the City of Los Angeles requires:</p>
<p><i>All adult members of the household must pass a criminal background check </i></p>
<p><a href="http://www.hacla.org/apply-public-housing/applyforph" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.hacla.org/apply-public-housing/applyforph</a></p>
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		By: Richard		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jan 2017 17:42:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The law exempts positions for which the law requires that a criminal history be obtained, and positions for which someone with a criminal conviction is legally disqualified.  Unfortunately, it will also force employers into a rigid non-hiring policy for any position for which they may be able to provide the required legal justification.  They won&#039;t be able to make exceptions as those exceptions could be used as evidence that the provided justification was a pretext.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The law exempts positions for which the law requires that a criminal history be obtained, and positions for which someone with a criminal conviction is legally disqualified.  Unfortunately, it will also force employers into a rigid non-hiring policy for any position for which they may be able to provide the required legal justification.  They won&#8217;t be able to make exceptions as those exceptions could be used as evidence that the provided justification was a pretext.</p>
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		By: cc		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jan 2017 17:01:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[And yet, if the new hire does something awful, the company will be liable.  And this probably conflicts with other regulations about criminal records and certain jobs.  I believe it was actually in California at some bank that they discovered someone who had worked there for 15 yrs had a minor criminal conviction like DUI or something before getting hired, and had to fire them because of the rules.
Oh, and LA really needs to make it harder to hire people.  What a great idea.  This is how this will backfire.  Companies will simply not hire blacks for any job where a criminal record might be a problem, instead of filtering out the bad actors they will simply ban them all.  Job fairs are great for this because you can see the person.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And yet, if the new hire does something awful, the company will be liable.  And this probably conflicts with other regulations about criminal records and certain jobs.  I believe it was actually in California at some bank that they discovered someone who had worked there for 15 yrs had a minor criminal conviction like DUI or something before getting hired, and had to fire them because of the rules.<br />
Oh, and LA really needs to make it harder to hire people.  What a great idea.  This is how this will backfire.  Companies will simply not hire blacks for any job where a criminal record might be a problem, instead of filtering out the bad actors they will simply ban them all.  Job fairs are great for this because you can see the person.</p>
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