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	Comments on: &#8220;Customers shall read and fully understand&#8221; owners&#8217; manual in its entirety before operating vehicle	</title>
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		By: MattS		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MattS]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Jul 2017 01:20:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.overlawyered.com/2017/07/customers-shall-read-fully-understand-owners-manual-entirety-prior-operating-vehicle/comment-page-1/#comment-346194&quot;&gt;CarLitGuy&lt;/a&gt;.

With those changes, you probably would not be able to get liability insurance for street use, but there might be damage insurance for race cars.  Of course such insurance if it exists would be very different from normal auto insurance.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.overlawyered.com/2017/07/customers-shall-read-fully-understand-owners-manual-entirety-prior-operating-vehicle/comment-page-1/#comment-346194">CarLitGuy</a>.</p>
<p>With those changes, you probably would not be able to get liability insurance for street use, but there might be damage insurance for race cars.  Of course such insurance if it exists would be very different from normal auto insurance.</p>
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		By: MattS		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MattS]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Jul 2017 15:56:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.overlawyered.com/2017/07/customers-shall-read-fully-understand-owners-manual-entirety-prior-operating-vehicle/comment-page-1/#comment-346191&quot;&gt;LTMG&lt;/a&gt;.

Every buyer has been explicitly warned in a document that they signed and then initialed each individual warning that driving the Demon on the street is a bad idea and that doing so in an irresponsible way is not just spectacularly stupid, but epically stupid and exceedingly dangerous.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.overlawyered.com/2017/07/customers-shall-read-fully-understand-owners-manual-entirety-prior-operating-vehicle/comment-page-1/#comment-346191">LTMG</a>.</p>
<p>Every buyer has been explicitly warned in a document that they signed and then initialed each individual warning that driving the Demon on the street is a bad idea and that doing so in an irresponsible way is not just spectacularly stupid, but epically stupid and exceedingly dangerous.</p>
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		By: CarLitGuy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[CarLitGuy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Jul 2017 14:34:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.overlawyered.com/2017/07/customers-shall-read-fully-understand-owners-manual-entirety-prior-operating-vehicle/comment-page-1/#comment-346191&quot;&gt;LTMG&lt;/a&gt;.

Those simple changes would also make it, functionally, un-insurable and destroy any hope they would sell enough of the cars to make their production worthwhile.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.overlawyered.com/2017/07/customers-shall-read-fully-understand-owners-manual-entirety-prior-operating-vehicle/comment-page-1/#comment-346191">LTMG</a>.</p>
<p>Those simple changes would also make it, functionally, un-insurable and destroy any hope they would sell enough of the cars to make their production worthwhile.</p>
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		By: LTMG		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[LTMG]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Jul 2017 04:46:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Wouldn&#039;t take much for Dodge to make the car not street legal.  Lack of windshield wipers and back up light would be simple enough to do and would render the car not street legal.  

As the car is now being sold, it is street legal.  I predict that there will be owners who do drive the car on the street and there will also be owners who drive the car in spectacularly stupid ways on the street.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wouldn&#8217;t take much for Dodge to make the car not street legal.  Lack of windshield wipers and back up light would be simple enough to do and would render the car not street legal.  </p>
<p>As the car is now being sold, it is street legal.  I predict that there will be owners who do drive the car on the street and there will also be owners who drive the car in spectacularly stupid ways on the street.</p>
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		By: MattS		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MattS]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Jul 2017 21:44:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.overlawyered.com/2017/07/customers-shall-read-fully-understand-owners-manual-entirety-prior-operating-vehicle/comment-page-1/#comment-346180&quot;&gt;CarLitGuy&lt;/a&gt;.

Yep, there is nothing in the document Doge is requiring Demon buyers to sign that would absolve Dodge for manufacturing or design defects. 

However, the fact that the Demon is a race car and not a street car is not a design defect.

As a race car, it has a lot more power than a street car.  And driving a race car, even on a proper tack is a very different skill set and is a lot more physically demanding than driving a street car at speed limits.

The document is intended to protect Dodge in two very specific cases.  

1.  The buyer doesn&#039;t know and doesn&#039;t bother to learn how to properly handle a race cars and smears himself across a race track.

2.  The buyer uses his Demon for illegal street racing or just driving, and injures or kills someone else by misuse of the vehicle.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.overlawyered.com/2017/07/customers-shall-read-fully-understand-owners-manual-entirety-prior-operating-vehicle/comment-page-1/#comment-346180">CarLitGuy</a>.</p>
<p>Yep, there is nothing in the document Doge is requiring Demon buyers to sign that would absolve Dodge for manufacturing or design defects. </p>
<p>However, the fact that the Demon is a race car and not a street car is not a design defect.</p>
<p>As a race car, it has a lot more power than a street car.  And driving a race car, even on a proper tack is a very different skill set and is a lot more physically demanding than driving a street car at speed limits.</p>
<p>The document is intended to protect Dodge in two very specific cases.  </p>
<p>1.  The buyer doesn&#8217;t know and doesn&#8217;t bother to learn how to properly handle a race cars and smears himself across a race track.</p>
<p>2.  The buyer uses his Demon for illegal street racing or just driving, and injures or kills someone else by misuse of the vehicle.</p>
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		By: CarLitGuy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[CarLitGuy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Jul 2017 17:41:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.overlawyered.com/2017/07/customers-shall-read-fully-understand-owners-manual-entirety-prior-operating-vehicle/comment-page-1/#comment-346171&quot;&gt;wilbur&lt;/a&gt;.

Well, since it is not intended for Street Use, it seems appropriate for them to make that clear.  That dopes not absolve them of all liability, there may still be mechanical failings unrelated to the design of the car for its intended purpose - but yeah, if you buy a single seat SRT Demon, and your friend in the passenger seat someone other than Dodge installed gets killed, Dodge should be clear of liability.

Plenty of products have specialized intended purposes for which the MFG is largely shielded of liability when the product is used for something else - even when that use might be anticipated or expected.  (Depending on state law, of course).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.overlawyered.com/2017/07/customers-shall-read-fully-understand-owners-manual-entirety-prior-operating-vehicle/comment-page-1/#comment-346171">wilbur</a>.</p>
<p>Well, since it is not intended for Street Use, it seems appropriate for them to make that clear.  That dopes not absolve them of all liability, there may still be mechanical failings unrelated to the design of the car for its intended purpose &#8211; but yeah, if you buy a single seat SRT Demon, and your friend in the passenger seat someone other than Dodge installed gets killed, Dodge should be clear of liability.</p>
<p>Plenty of products have specialized intended purposes for which the MFG is largely shielded of liability when the product is used for something else &#8211; even when that use might be anticipated or expected.  (Depending on state law, of course).</p>
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		By: SPO		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[SPO]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Jul 2017 16:59:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s marketing--pure and simple.  Dodge is saying, &quot;We&#039;ve made a bad-ass car.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s marketing&#8211;pure and simple.  Dodge is saying, &#8220;We&#8217;ve made a bad-ass car.&#8221;</p>
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		By: MattS		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MattS]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Jul 2017 15:16:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.overlawyered.com/2017/07/customers-shall-read-fully-understand-owners-manual-entirety-prior-operating-vehicle/comment-page-1/#comment-346171&quot;&gt;wilbur&lt;/a&gt;.

Yes, but it isn&#039;t being sold as a street car.  It is being sold as a production drag racer.

It has a lot of performance features that are racing specific and the document the buyers have to sign and initial item contains a warning that the car is dangerous if the racing performance features are used on public streets.

It doesn&#039;t even come with passenger seats standard, only as a factory option, and one of the items in the buyer statement is do not attempt to install passenger seats later if you pass on the factory option.

Another item is a warning that the factory tires are racing tires.  If the car is driven as a  street car, even if driven safely and responsibly, it will cause excessive wear on the tires.  Also the factory racing tires are no good in inclement weather such as rain or snow.

Why should Dodge be held responsible if a buyer uses the Demon on public streets when Doge has signed and initialed proof that the buyer was explicitly warned that the Demon is not a street car and warned not to use it as a street car?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.overlawyered.com/2017/07/customers-shall-read-fully-understand-owners-manual-entirety-prior-operating-vehicle/comment-page-1/#comment-346171">wilbur</a>.</p>
<p>Yes, but it isn&#8217;t being sold as a street car.  It is being sold as a production drag racer.</p>
<p>It has a lot of performance features that are racing specific and the document the buyers have to sign and initial item contains a warning that the car is dangerous if the racing performance features are used on public streets.</p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t even come with passenger seats standard, only as a factory option, and one of the items in the buyer statement is do not attempt to install passenger seats later if you pass on the factory option.</p>
<p>Another item is a warning that the factory tires are racing tires.  If the car is driven as a  street car, even if driven safely and responsibly, it will cause excessive wear on the tires.  Also the factory racing tires are no good in inclement weather such as rain or snow.</p>
<p>Why should Dodge be held responsible if a buyer uses the Demon on public streets when Doge has signed and initialed proof that the buyer was explicitly warned that the Demon is not a street car and warned not to use it as a street car?</p>
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		By: Bill Robelen		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bill Robelen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Jul 2017 13:49:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[If the car is not dangerous when used for its intended purpose, there shouldn&#039;t be liability.  No more than GM or Ford should be liable if someone uses one of their stock cars on the street and injures someone.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the car is not dangerous when used for its intended purpose, there shouldn&#8217;t be liability.  No more than GM or Ford should be liable if someone uses one of their stock cars on the street and injures someone.</p>
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		By: wilbur		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[wilbur]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Jul 2017 12:03:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.overlawyered.com/2017/07/customers-shall-read-fully-understand-owners-manual-entirety-prior-operating-vehicle/comment-page-1/#comment-346170&quot;&gt;MattS&lt;/a&gt;.

So Dodge is knowingly selling a car that is potentially unreasonably dangerous when used on public streets?  So when a driver kills or injures someone else while using &quot;the Demon&quot;, Dodge has no liability to the injured party for selling this product to the general public?

Something about this doesn&#039;t sound right.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.overlawyered.com/2017/07/customers-shall-read-fully-understand-owners-manual-entirety-prior-operating-vehicle/comment-page-1/#comment-346170">MattS</a>.</p>
<p>So Dodge is knowingly selling a car that is potentially unreasonably dangerous when used on public streets?  So when a driver kills or injures someone else while using &#8220;the Demon&#8221;, Dodge has no liability to the injured party for selling this product to the general public?</p>
<p>Something about this doesn&#8217;t sound right.</p>
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