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		By: MattS		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MattS]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Nov 2017 06:23:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.overlawyered.com/2017/11/november-15-roundup-3/comment-page-1/#comment-347301&quot;&gt;Bill Poser&lt;/a&gt;.

The judge certainly characterized it as a sovereign citizen argument.

https://www.courthousenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/JaredFogle.pdf

However, if you ask me, the only line quoted from the motion doesn&#039;t support that.

Here is the quoted line.

&quot;whether a judicial judgment is lawful depends on whether the sovereign has authority to render it.&quot;

Here is what the judge followed that line up with in his decision.

&quot;If Fogle is now claiming to be “sovereign”, the Seventh Circuit has rejected theories of individual sovereignty, immunity from prosecution, and their ilk.&quot;

While the filing by Frank Edwin Pate may or may not make a sovereign citizen type argument, nothing in the text quoted from the brief supports that contention or the suggestion that Fogle is claiming to be &quot;sovereign&quot;..]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.overlawyered.com/2017/11/november-15-roundup-3/comment-page-1/#comment-347301">Bill Poser</a>.</p>
<p>The judge certainly characterized it as a sovereign citizen argument.</p>
<p><a href="https://www.courthousenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/JaredFogle.pdf" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.courthousenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/JaredFogle.pdf</a></p>
<p>However, if you ask me, the only line quoted from the motion doesn&#8217;t support that.</p>
<p>Here is the quoted line.</p>
<p>&#8220;whether a judicial judgment is lawful depends on whether the sovereign has authority to render it.&#8221;</p>
<p>Here is what the judge followed that line up with in his decision.</p>
<p>&#8220;If Fogle is now claiming to be “sovereign”, the Seventh Circuit has rejected theories of individual sovereignty, immunity from prosecution, and their ilk.&#8221;</p>
<p>While the filing by Frank Edwin Pate may or may not make a sovereign citizen type argument, nothing in the text quoted from the brief supports that contention or the suggestion that Fogle is claiming to be &#8220;sovereign&#8221;..</p>
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		By: Bill Poser		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bill Poser]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Nov 2017 00:00:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.overlawyered.com/2017/11/november-15-roundup-3/comment-page-1/#comment-347296&quot;&gt;CarLitGuy&lt;/a&gt;.

Even prisoners have access to legal research tools, don&#039;t they? You&#039;d think that he&#039;d be able to look up &quot;sovereign citizen&quot; and see that courts have consistently rejected it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.overlawyered.com/2017/11/november-15-roundup-3/comment-page-1/#comment-347296">CarLitGuy</a>.</p>
<p>Even prisoners have access to legal research tools, don&#8217;t they? You&#8217;d think that he&#8217;d be able to look up &#8220;sovereign citizen&#8221; and see that courts have consistently rejected it.</p>
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		By: CarLitGuy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[CarLitGuy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Nov 2017 22:08:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[From the first line of the decision - 

&quot;Defendant Jared Fogle’s frivolous pro se Motion to Correct Clear Error Pursuant to Rule
52(b), Dkt [110], is denied.&quot;

Pro Se.

Enough said]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From the first line of the decision &#8211; </p>
<p>&#8220;Defendant Jared Fogle’s frivolous pro se Motion to Correct Clear Error Pursuant to Rule<br />
52(b), Dkt [110], is denied.&#8221;</p>
<p>Pro Se.</p>
<p>Enough said</p>
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		By: Moishe Pipik		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Moishe Pipik]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Nov 2017 22:20:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Did Mr. Fogle have to agree or cooperate in any way for that &quot;Jailhouse Lawyer&quot; to file a motion on his behalf?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did Mr. Fogle have to agree or cooperate in any way for that &#8220;Jailhouse Lawyer&#8221; to file a motion on his behalf?</p>
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		By: gasman		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[gasman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Nov 2017 21:36:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.overlawyered.com/2017/11/november-15-roundup-3/comment-page-1/#comment-347286&quot;&gt;jimc5499&lt;/a&gt;.

The mechanism of general anesthesia is unknown*.  So I find it strange that they say that something causes general anesthesia.  


*https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theories_of_general_anaesthetic_action]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.overlawyered.com/2017/11/november-15-roundup-3/comment-page-1/#comment-347286">jimc5499</a>.</p>
<p>The mechanism of general anesthesia is unknown*.  So I find it strange that they say that something causes general anesthesia.  </p>
<p>*https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theories_of_general_anaesthetic_action</p>
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		By: Walter Olson		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Walter Olson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Nov 2017 19:23:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ouch, my mistake. Fixed now.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ouch, my mistake. Fixed now.</p>
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		By: JRoss		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JRoss]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Nov 2017 18:48:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Bad link for the NYT cancer article. Thanks!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bad link for the NYT cancer article. Thanks!</p>
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		By: CarLitGuy		</title>
		<link>https://www.overlawyered.com/2017/11/november-15-roundup-3/comment-page-1/#comment-347288</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[CarLitGuy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Nov 2017 18:27:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[the first link &quot;Aaron E. Carroll, New York Times&quot; appears to be broken.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the first link &#8220;Aaron E. Carroll, New York Times&#8221; appears to be broken.</p>
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		By: jimc5499		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jimc5499]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Nov 2017 14:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Since they have never identified the cause of Cancer, I&#039;ve always found it strange that they can say that something causes Cancer.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since they have never identified the cause of Cancer, I&#8217;ve always found it strange that they can say that something causes Cancer.</p>
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