Comments on: Harvard’s magical way of applying thumbs to scales

By: cecil

cecil — Fri, 02 Nov 2018 18:40:06 +0000

In reply to boblipton. No, their money is always welcome. You, maybe not so much, but they will take your money without any regard to race.

By: boblipton

boblipton — Thu, 01 Nov 2018 20:21:34 +0000

So, if I am racially pure White extraction, mostly from England but with a soupçon of Dutch Patroon and French Calvinist extraction to sully my immaculate race, then all the money my family has donated to dear old Harvard won’t be held against me?

Bob

By: cecil

cecil — Thu, 01 Nov 2018 17:05:25 +0000

A+X>B == B-X So whether you add to one or remove from another, the result is the same. All else is labeling. Harvard chooses false labeling.

By: MattS

MattS — Thu, 01 Nov 2018 10:20:32 +0000

In reply to I Took Logic.

“race is only “considered” for minorities who need extra help getting it, and then only as a plus-factor. It is not “considered” for whites or Asians, and thus has no effect at all on those groups’ admission chances.”

As long as the number of slots for students at Harvard is finite and less than the total number of applicants of all races, the above is an impossibility.

Every time a non-Asian minority gets a slot due to consideration of race that they wouldn’t have other wise gotten , it lowers the admission chances of every white and Asian applicant.

Therefore, “Harvard logic” is not logic in any meaningful sense.

By: I Took Logic

I Took Logic — Wed, 31 Oct 2018 16:18:54 +0000

Everyone seems to be ignoring the “when considered” modifier….according to Harvard logic, race is only “considered” for minorities who need extra help getting it, and then only as a plus-factor. It is not “considered” for whites or Asians, and thus has no effect at all on those groups’ admission chances. Voila…by the internal logic, “when considered” it can only be a plus-factor, because it is only “considered” for the express purpose of being a plus-factor.

Now, as a matter of TRUE logic, everyone can take me (and Harvard) apart, but the statement holds for the internal logic, as above.

By: gasman

gasman — Tue, 30 Oct 2018 15:59:11 +0000

In reply to No Name Guy. Maybe the great thinkers in the humanities at Harvard are not as brilliant as we have been led to believe.

By: No Name Guy

No Name Guy — Mon, 29 Oct 2018 15:52:26 +0000

Hmmm…”race can only help”.

OK…

Two otherwise nearly equally qualified candidates….person A and person B. Say person B is the very slightly better candidate in a race neutral process. They’ll get in, right?

Instead of a race neutral process, lets take up the Harvard, or for that matter, any process that gives “help” to whatever favored race.

Well, lets say that person A is “helped by race” and person B isn’t hurt, but also isn’t “helped by race”, and that tips the scale in person A’s favor.

And now, the decision is reversed….person A gets in and person B doesn’t.

Tell me again how person B isn’t hurt when “race only helps a student get into Harvard”?

By: captnhal

captnhal — Mon, 29 Oct 2018 04:49:27 +0000

I would hope that when one testifies “that race, when considered in admissions, can only help, not hurt, a student’s chances of getting in.” that a skilled attorney would pounce on the illogicality of this statement in cross and make a fool of the witness. The statement is arguably perjury.

By: John Fembup

John Fembup — Sun, 28 Oct 2018 09:53:54 +0000

My sympathies lie with applicants who have no race.

Clearly the absence of race, when considered in admissions, can only harm, not help, a student’s chances of getting in.

By: Ras

Ras — Sun, 28 Oct 2018 05:11:26 +0000

"If you are white or Asian, you have no chance at Harvard; surely you knew this?"