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		By: En Passant		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2018 18:06:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.overlawyered.com/2018/10/october-3-roundup-5/comment-page-1/#comment-350263&quot;&gt;cecil&lt;/a&gt;.

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;em&gt;Well then, I claim that I have not violated anything and I choose Chuck Norris as my champion…&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;Unfortunately, our sometimes benighted friends across the waters saw fit to abolish that mode of trial by act of Parliament in 1819, 59 Geo. III, Chapter 46:

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;em&gt;whereas appeals of murder, treason, felony, and other offences, and the manner of proceeding therein, have been found to be oppressive; and the trial by battle in any suit, is a mode of trial unfit to be used; and it is expedient that the same should be wholly abolished.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Note that &quot;appeals&quot; were private prosecutions for criminal offenses, even after acquittal in a Crown prosecution, which our Fifth Amendment forbids.

Parliament acted following successful invocation of trial by combat by Abraham Thornton in the appeals case of &lt;em&gt;Ashford v Thornton (1818) 106 ER 149&lt;/em&gt;.

Long story short: Thornton was tried and acquitted for the murder of Mary Ashford. Mary&#039;s brother, William Ashford brought a private prosecution, or &quot;appeal&quot;. Thornton invoked trial by combat. Ashford backed down. Parliament then abolished trial by combat.

The near legendary story is recounted in:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashford_v_Thornton]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.overlawyered.com/2018/10/october-3-roundup-5/comment-page-1/#comment-350263">cecil</a>.</p>
<blockquote><p><em>Well then, I claim that I have not violated anything and I choose Chuck Norris as my champion…</em></p></blockquote>
<p>Unfortunately, our sometimes benighted friends across the waters saw fit to abolish that mode of trial by act of Parliament in 1819, 59 Geo. III, Chapter 46:</p>
<blockquote><p><em>whereas appeals of murder, treason, felony, and other offences, and the manner of proceeding therein, have been found to be oppressive; and the trial by battle in any suit, is a mode of trial unfit to be used; and it is expedient that the same should be wholly abolished.</em></p></blockquote>
<p>Note that &#8220;appeals&#8221; were private prosecutions for criminal offenses, even after acquittal in a Crown prosecution, which our Fifth Amendment forbids.</p>
<p>Parliament acted following successful invocation of trial by combat by Abraham Thornton in the appeals case of <em>Ashford v Thornton (1818) 106 ER 149</em>.</p>
<p>Long story short: Thornton was tried and acquitted for the murder of Mary Ashford. Mary&#8217;s brother, William Ashford brought a private prosecution, or &#8220;appeal&#8221;. Thornton invoked trial by combat. Ashford backed down. Parliament then abolished trial by combat.</p>
<p>The near legendary story is recounted in:</p>
<p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashford_v_Thornton" rel="nofollow ugc">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashford_v_Thornton</a></p>
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		By: cecil		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Oct 2018 14:15:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Well then, I claim that I have not violated anything and I choose Chuck Norris as my champion...  :D]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well then, I claim that I have not violated anything and I choose Chuck Norris as my champion&#8230;  😀</p>
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		By: Boblipton		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Boblipton]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Oct 2018 13:55:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.overlawyered.com/2018/10/october-3-roundup-5/comment-page-1/#comment-350243&quot;&gt;SPO&lt;/a&gt;.

I don’t see why. There’s no injury to a lawyer involved.

Bob]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.overlawyered.com/2018/10/october-3-roundup-5/comment-page-1/#comment-350243">SPO</a>.</p>
<p>I don’t see why. There’s no injury to a lawyer involved.</p>
<p>Bob</p>
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		By: MattS		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MattS]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Oct 2018 09:53:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.overlawyered.com/2018/10/october-3-roundup-5/comment-page-1/#comment-350245&quot;&gt;Wfjag&lt;/a&gt;.

Trial by combat and trial by ordeal were methods of determining guilt, not remedies.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.overlawyered.com/2018/10/october-3-roundup-5/comment-page-1/#comment-350245">Wfjag</a>.</p>
<p>Trial by combat and trial by ordeal were methods of determining guilt, not remedies.</p>
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		By: Wfjag		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2018 23:07:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I don’t remember my Blackstone that well. Is the remedy for a violation of the Magna Carta, trial by combat or trial by ordeal?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don’t remember my Blackstone that well. Is the remedy for a violation of the Magna Carta, trial by combat or trial by ordeal?</p>
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		By: SPO		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2018 17:39:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Re: releasing psychiatric records.  Should be a permanent disbarment.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: releasing psychiatric records.  Should be a permanent disbarment.</p>
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