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	Comments on: A reader query on Michigan fee-shifting	</title>
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		By: cecil		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2019 17:54:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.overlawyered.com/2019/01/a-reader-query-on-michigan-fee-shifting/comment-page-1/#comment-352045&quot;&gt;Allan&lt;/a&gt;.

According to my math education, 10% of 90k is only 9k.  Therefore, anything over $99,000.00 generates fees for the plaintif.  It&#039;s not 10% of the award after all, but 10% of the amount stated as being a fair settlement.  Now, since we&#039;re dealing with lawyers, simple math may be beyond them in some cases.  After all, lawyers think a $5 coupon for me, and $5m for them is a &quot;fair settlement&quot;, showing that working with numbers is outside their wheelhouse.  :D
Computer science is after all just a fancy form of math.  :D]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.overlawyered.com/2019/01/a-reader-query-on-michigan-fee-shifting/comment-page-1/#comment-352045">Allan</a>.</p>
<p>According to my math education, 10% of 90k is only 9k.  Therefore, anything over $99,000.00 generates fees for the plaintif.  It&#8217;s not 10% of the award after all, but 10% of the amount stated as being a fair settlement.  Now, since we&#8217;re dealing with lawyers, simple math may be beyond them in some cases.  After all, lawyers think a $5 coupon for me, and $5m for them is a &#8220;fair settlement&#8221;, showing that working with numbers is outside their wheelhouse.  😀<br />
Computer science is after all just a fancy form of math.  😀</p>
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		By: Allan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2019 17:08:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I know nothing about Michigan laws.  I am a bit confused, as there seems to be a middle ground here based upon my reading of what was posted..

Say the panel comes out with $100,000.  10%, of course, is $10,000.  So, if the result is $90,000 to $110,000, each pays the other&#039;s fees.  Under $90,000, and plaintiff pays for defendant&#039;s fees.  Over $110,000, and defendant pays for plantiff&#039;s fees.  

Whatever the case, the ensuing fee litigation would seem to have the potential to overwhelm the actual litigated issue.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know nothing about Michigan laws.  I am a bit confused, as there seems to be a middle ground here based upon my reading of what was posted..</p>
<p>Say the panel comes out with $100,000.  10%, of course, is $10,000.  So, if the result is $90,000 to $110,000, each pays the other&#8217;s fees.  Under $90,000, and plaintiff pays for defendant&#8217;s fees.  Over $110,000, and defendant pays for plantiff&#8217;s fees.  </p>
<p>Whatever the case, the ensuing fee litigation would seem to have the potential to overwhelm the actual litigated issue.</p>
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		By: Richard		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2019 16:17:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.overlawyered.com/2019/01/a-reader-query-on-michigan-fee-shifting/comment-page-1/#comment-351987&quot;&gt;Wfjag&lt;/a&gt;.

Except the advice may well not have been negligent.  Competent attorneys discuss the likelihood of prevailing, and that likelihood may be very good given the witnesses, evidence and current state of the law.  However, a jury sometimes does not accept objectively credible evidence, or accepts objectively unlikely evidence, and the law changes over the course of litigation.  A client has to decide whether he wants to proceed given the ever present risk that he will lose, and it is knowledge of that risk that may deter those with some assets from taking legal action or presenting a vigorous defense.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.overlawyered.com/2019/01/a-reader-query-on-michigan-fee-shifting/comment-page-1/#comment-351987">Wfjag</a>.</p>
<p>Except the advice may well not have been negligent.  Competent attorneys discuss the likelihood of prevailing, and that likelihood may be very good given the witnesses, evidence and current state of the law.  However, a jury sometimes does not accept objectively credible evidence, or accepts objectively unlikely evidence, and the law changes over the course of litigation.  A client has to decide whether he wants to proceed given the ever present risk that he will lose, and it is knowledge of that risk that may deter those with some assets from taking legal action or presenting a vigorous defense.</p>
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		By: Wfjag		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2019 08:54:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[If, on an attorney’s advice, a party rejects the settlement amount and is held liable for the other party’s reasonable attorneys’ fees, wouldn’t the liable party’s attorney be potentially liable under a negligent advice theory?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If, on an attorney’s advice, a party rejects the settlement amount and is held liable for the other party’s reasonable attorneys’ fees, wouldn’t the liable party’s attorney be potentially liable under a negligent advice theory?</p>
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		By: Ilya		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2019 00:39:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I do know there is some public knowledge that the middle class is the most disenfranchised from the court system under the English rule in the UK, particularly because the gov&#039;t provides free legal representation for the poor and the litigation risk often propounds through fights over the attorney fees themselves.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do know there is some public knowledge that the middle class is the most disenfranchised from the court system under the English rule in the UK, particularly because the gov&#8217;t provides free legal representation for the poor and the litigation risk often propounds through fights over the attorney fees themselves.</p>
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