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		By: Anonymous Attorney		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anonymous Attorney]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Nov 2019 18:54:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Stengel is wrong to suggest that the &quot;marketplace of ideas, where truth comes out the winner&quot; is the sole historical justification for free speech.  Read enough SCOTUS opinions and law review articles on free speech, and you&#039;ll see an acknowledgement that the &quot;marketplace of ideas&quot; may be 1) fixed, 2) nonsense, 3) not successful at squeezing out the &#039;truth&#039;, etc.  It&#039;s a cute idea but hardly the strongest argument.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stengel is wrong to suggest that the &#8220;marketplace of ideas, where truth comes out the winner&#8221; is the sole historical justification for free speech.  Read enough SCOTUS opinions and law review articles on free speech, and you&#8217;ll see an acknowledgement that the &#8220;marketplace of ideas&#8221; may be 1) fixed, 2) nonsense, 3) not successful at squeezing out the &#8216;truth&#8217;, etc.  It&#8217;s a cute idea but hardly the strongest argument.</p>
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		By: No Name Guy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[No Name Guy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Nov 2019 13:50:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.overlawyered.com/2019/10/hate-speech-laws-no-thanks-well-stick-with-the-first-amendment/comment-page-1/#comment-356595&quot;&gt;Hugo S. Cunningham&lt;/a&gt;.

I&#039;d expel the student if they spray painted &quot;Love&quot; on a building.

Vandalism is vandalism, period, regardless of the shape(s) of the swoops of paint applied.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.overlawyered.com/2019/10/hate-speech-laws-no-thanks-well-stick-with-the-first-amendment/comment-page-1/#comment-356595">Hugo S. Cunningham</a>.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d expel the student if they spray painted &#8220;Love&#8221; on a building.</p>
<p>Vandalism is vandalism, period, regardless of the shape(s) of the swoops of paint applied.</p>
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		By: Parkhorse		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Parkhorse]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Nov 2019 11:20:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.overlawyered.com/2019/10/hate-speech-laws-no-thanks-well-stick-with-the-first-amendment/comment-page-1/#comment-356595&quot;&gt;Hugo S. Cunningham&lt;/a&gt;.

Vandalism is already illegal.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.overlawyered.com/2019/10/hate-speech-laws-no-thanks-well-stick-with-the-first-amendment/comment-page-1/#comment-356595">Hugo S. Cunningham</a>.</p>
<p>Vandalism is already illegal.</p>
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		By: Walter Olson		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Walter Olson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Nov 2019 08:59:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.overlawyered.com/2019/10/hate-speech-laws-no-thanks-well-stick-with-the-first-amendment/comment-page-1/#comment-356595&quot;&gt;Hugo S. Cunningham&lt;/a&gt;.

Virtually all libertarians would defend the legal and moral right of a private university to expel a student who had committed such a crime, and I suspect that most would recognize a public university&#039;s right to do so as well.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.overlawyered.com/2019/10/hate-speech-laws-no-thanks-well-stick-with-the-first-amendment/comment-page-1/#comment-356595">Hugo S. Cunningham</a>.</p>
<p>Virtually all libertarians would defend the legal and moral right of a private university to expel a student who had committed such a crime, and I suspect that most would recognize a public university&#8217;s right to do so as well.</p>
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		By: Hugo S. Cunningham		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hugo S. Cunningham]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Nov 2019 01:58:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[While I share libertarian opposition to hate speech laws, I am less protective, in a private context, of idea-free *ssholery, eg spray-painting the N-word on a college building.  Whether the perp is a racist, a hoaxer, or a lunatic, a university should be free to get rid  of him.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I share libertarian opposition to hate speech laws, I am less protective, in a private context, of idea-free *ssholery, eg spray-painting the N-word on a college building.  Whether the perp is a racist, a hoaxer, or a lunatic, a university should be free to get rid  of him.</p>
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		By: Hugo S. Cunningham		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hugo S. Cunningham]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Nov 2019 01:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[One could point out to Arab diplomats that in the USA it is safe and legal to convert from Christianity (or atheism) to Islam.  The reverse is most emphatically neither safe nor legal in many Muslim countries.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One could point out to Arab diplomats that in the USA it is safe and legal to convert from Christianity (or atheism) to Islam.  The reverse is most emphatically neither safe nor legal in many Muslim countries.</p>
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		By: Hugo S. Cunningham		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hugo S. Cunningham]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Nov 2019 01:45:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&#062;&quot;Even the most sophisticated Arab diplomats that I dealt with did not understand why the First Amendment allows someone to burn a Koran. … it should not protect hateful speech that can cause violence by one group against another

This should become a standard question on oral foreign service exams and Congressional confirmation hearings.  Anyone who cannot give a satisfactory answer is not qualified to represent the United States of America.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&#8221;Even the most sophisticated Arab diplomats that I dealt with did not understand why the First Amendment allows someone to burn a Koran. … it should not protect hateful speech that can cause violence by one group against another</p>
<p>This should become a standard question on oral foreign service exams and Congressional confirmation hearings.  Anyone who cannot give a satisfactory answer is not qualified to represent the United States of America.</p>
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		By: MattS		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MattS]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Nov 2019 00:15:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.overlawyered.com/2019/10/hate-speech-laws-no-thanks-well-stick-with-the-first-amendment/comment-page-1/#comment-356590&quot;&gt;Allan&lt;/a&gt;.

I&#039;ve got an easier solution.

No speech is banned.  Your feelings got hurt?  Tough!

Speech is anything that communicates a thought, idea, information or emotion from one person to another.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.overlawyered.com/2019/10/hate-speech-laws-no-thanks-well-stick-with-the-first-amendment/comment-page-1/#comment-356590">Allan</a>.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve got an easier solution.</p>
<p>No speech is banned.  Your feelings got hurt?  Tough!</p>
<p>Speech is anything that communicates a thought, idea, information or emotion from one person to another.</p>
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		By: Allan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Allan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Oct 2019 21:22:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I have a solution, but I think no-one but me (and my successors) will like it:  

&quot;All speech I don&#039;t like is banned.  When I die, I appoint someone else to the position.&quot;

It is simple,  I would just sit around all day and charge $100 to consider something.  If I don&#039;t like it, it is banned.  Also, I am the one who determines what &quot;speech&quot; is.

If you don&#039;t like my solution, all is lost.  Everything else amounts to rules as arbitrary as my views.

This will make things really easy.  A judge will ask me: &quot;Is this banned,&quot; I will answer, and the case will be done.  While my ruling would have precedent, if someone says something similar and tries to distinguish it, there is no problem.  That is because, for $100, I will issue a new edict.  Also, I would not precluded from issuing competing and conflicting decisions.  That is a feature, because it would make it more necessary for me to make more decisions, which would result in me making more money. I might even be abe to make a full time ob of it.

An added benefit:  when history is written, I will be considered the best person ever.  Because everything else said about me would have been banned.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a solution, but I think no-one but me (and my successors) will like it:  </p>
<p>&#8220;All speech I don&#8217;t like is banned.  When I die, I appoint someone else to the position.&#8221;</p>
<p>It is simple,  I would just sit around all day and charge $100 to consider something.  If I don&#8217;t like it, it is banned.  Also, I am the one who determines what &#8220;speech&#8221; is.</p>
<p>If you don&#8217;t like my solution, all is lost.  Everything else amounts to rules as arbitrary as my views.</p>
<p>This will make things really easy.  A judge will ask me: &#8220;Is this banned,&#8221; I will answer, and the case will be done.  While my ruling would have precedent, if someone says something similar and tries to distinguish it, there is no problem.  That is because, for $100, I will issue a new edict.  Also, I would not precluded from issuing competing and conflicting decisions.  That is a feature, because it would make it more necessary for me to make more decisions, which would result in me making more money. I might even be abe to make a full time ob of it.</p>
<p>An added benefit:  when history is written, I will be considered the best person ever.  Because everything else said about me would have been banned.</p>
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		By: gasman		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Oct 2019 20:09:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot; ...it should not protect hateful speech that can cause violence by one group against another.”

That sounds like a problem for the violent group to sort out.  We&#039;ve seen the weaponization of hurt feelings abound, from college campuses, to human resource spats between co-workers.  This goes way beyond merely encouraging the heckler&#039;s veto.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; &#8230;it should not protect hateful speech that can cause violence by one group against another.”</p>
<p>That sounds like a problem for the violent group to sort out.  We&#8217;ve seen the weaponization of hurt feelings abound, from college campuses, to human resource spats between co-workers.  This goes way beyond merely encouraging the heckler&#8217;s veto.</p>
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