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		By: Walter Olson		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Walter Olson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Nov 2019 18:20:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.overlawyered.com/2019/11/some-election-results/comment-page-1/#comment-356714&quot;&gt;Melvin H.&lt;/a&gt;.

It is not the case that “all the gerrymandering” was authorized or promoted by the way the Voting Rights Act has been interpreted to favor majority-minority districts. Some has, and those interactions are worth knowing about (and often significant in their impact). Other instances of gerrymandering, however, are unrelated to the VRA.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.overlawyered.com/2019/11/some-election-results/comment-page-1/#comment-356714">Melvin H.</a>.</p>
<p>It is not the case that “all the gerrymandering” was authorized or promoted by the way the Voting Rights Act has been interpreted to favor majority-minority districts. Some has, and those interactions are worth knowing about (and often significant in their impact). Other instances of gerrymandering, however, are unrelated to the VRA.</p>
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		By: Melvin H.		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Melvin H.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Nov 2019 08:35:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[But all the “gerrymandering” had been made effectively legal by court rulings on the Voting Rights Act, with courts trying to add race as a factor in voting districts instead of simply numbers of people per district.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But all the “gerrymandering” had been made effectively legal by court rulings on the Voting Rights Act, with courts trying to add race as a factor in voting districts instead of simply numbers of people per district.</p>
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		By: Melvin H.		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Melvin H.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Nov 2019 08:32:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.overlawyered.com/2019/11/some-election-results/comment-page-1/#comment-356703&quot;&gt;John Fembup&lt;/a&gt;.

Or look at Italy the first 50 years after WW2–at several points  there had been more Italian governments than years after the war...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.overlawyered.com/2019/11/some-election-results/comment-page-1/#comment-356703">John Fembup</a>.</p>
<p>Or look at Italy the first 50 years after WW2–at several points  there had been more Italian governments than years after the war&#8230;</p>
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		By: Allan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Allan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Nov 2019 17:59:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.overlawyered.com/2019/11/some-election-results/comment-page-1/#comment-356702&quot;&gt;Hans Bader&lt;/a&gt;.

According to your math, the VA house would be 51-49 under the old house gerrymander.

Also, I don&#039;t think history supports your version of the Virginia state senate redistricting after 2010.  The repubican governor vetoed the first plan (which had a Senate map drawn by senate democrats) and only after the governor&#039;s concerns were addressed did the redistricting get approved by the governor.  The house of delagates maps, authored by republicans, did not change until the courts changed them.

I would submit that gerrymandering based on political party is a bad thing all around.

Finally, Mr. Bader, your posts on voting issues should always be read with a grain of salt.  You have views many would consider bias toward non-democratic reforms.  Rather than seeking solutions to problems, you seek to sweep the problems under the rug and advocate methods that make them worse.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.overlawyered.com/2019/11/some-election-results/comment-page-1/#comment-356702">Hans Bader</a>.</p>
<p>According to your math, the VA house would be 51-49 under the old house gerrymander.</p>
<p>Also, I don&#8217;t think history supports your version of the Virginia state senate redistricting after 2010.  The repubican governor vetoed the first plan (which had a Senate map drawn by senate democrats) and only after the governor&#8217;s concerns were addressed did the redistricting get approved by the governor.  The house of delagates maps, authored by republicans, did not change until the courts changed them.</p>
<p>I would submit that gerrymandering based on political party is a bad thing all around.</p>
<p>Finally, Mr. Bader, your posts on voting issues should always be read with a grain of salt.  You have views many would consider bias toward non-democratic reforms.  Rather than seeking solutions to problems, you seek to sweep the problems under the rug and advocate methods that make them worse.</p>
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		By: Robert		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Nov 2019 17:41:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.overlawyered.com/2019/11/some-election-results/comment-page-1/#comment-356696&quot;&gt;Bob Lipton&lt;/a&gt;.

My biggest objection to changing any voting scheme is people tend to want them most when their candidates are losing (e.g., the people who want to end the electoral college). Something just doesn&#039;t smell right about that. 

None of these schemes are perfect.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.overlawyered.com/2019/11/some-election-results/comment-page-1/#comment-356696">Bob Lipton</a>.</p>
<p>My biggest objection to changing any voting scheme is people tend to want them most when their candidates are losing (e.g., the people who want to end the electoral college). Something just doesn&#8217;t smell right about that. </p>
<p>None of these schemes are perfect.</p>
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		By: MattS		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Nov 2019 00:46:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.overlawyered.com/2019/11/some-election-results/comment-page-1/#comment-356700&quot;&gt;Allan&lt;/a&gt;.

As I read the constitution, the intent of the framers was zero political parties.

Ben Franklin is supposed to have written that political parties were inherently anti-democratic.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.overlawyered.com/2019/11/some-election-results/comment-page-1/#comment-356700">Allan</a>.</p>
<p>As I read the constitution, the intent of the framers was zero political parties.</p>
<p>Ben Franklin is supposed to have written that political parties were inherently anti-democratic.</p>
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		By: MattS		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MattS]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Nov 2019 00:44:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.overlawyered.com/2019/11/some-election-results/comment-page-1/#comment-356699&quot;&gt;Steve&lt;/a&gt;.

too much blood in your caffeine stream?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.overlawyered.com/2019/11/some-election-results/comment-page-1/#comment-356699">Steve</a>.</p>
<p>too much blood in your caffeine stream?</p>
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		By: John Fembup		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Fembup]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Nov 2019 21:52:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.overlawyered.com/2019/11/some-election-results/comment-page-1/#comment-356700&quot;&gt;Allan&lt;/a&gt;.

“not so polarizing”

Maybe.  But then, explain Netanyahu.]]></description>
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<p>“not so polarizing”</p>
<p>Maybe.  But then, explain Netanyahu.</p>
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		By: Hans Bader		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Nov 2019 15:23:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The Virginia State Senate, which the Democrats now control 21-to-19, was gerrymanded by the Democrats in 2011, back when they controlled it. Ironically, they lost control in the November 2011 elections. They have no regained control of that body.

The Virginia House of Delegates, which the Democrats now control 55-to-45, was gerrymandered by the Republicans in 2011. But they lost control this Tuesday partly because a 2019 court ruling redrew some of those districts in a way that favored Democrats rather than Republicans, accounting for 4 of the 6 seats they lost on Tuesday.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Virginia State Senate, which the Democrats now control 21-to-19, was gerrymanded by the Democrats in 2011, back when they controlled it. Ironically, they lost control in the November 2011 elections. They have no regained control of that body.</p>
<p>The Virginia House of Delegates, which the Democrats now control 55-to-45, was gerrymandered by the Republicans in 2011. But they lost control this Tuesday partly because a 2019 court ruling redrew some of those districts in a way that favored Democrats rather than Republicans, accounting for 4 of the 6 seats they lost on Tuesday.</p>
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		By: Allan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Allan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Nov 2019 14:44:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I am of the view that the more parties, the better.  If we had three or four parties represented at the national level, there would be no choice but to compromise.  Now we have a binary choice and no-one is really happy.  As for fringe parties, yes, they would be out there.  And they represent a constituency, so why should they not be heard.  But, they would remain in the fringe, with the larger parties having more of a say.

IMHO, the framers intended for there to be more than two parties, but as things coalesced in the beginning of the 19th century, we got a two party system that only changed during times of dramatic upheaval.  

Having multiple parties would also lead to a president who is not so polarizing.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am of the view that the more parties, the better.  If we had three or four parties represented at the national level, there would be no choice but to compromise.  Now we have a binary choice and no-one is really happy.  As for fringe parties, yes, they would be out there.  And they represent a constituency, so why should they not be heard.  But, they would remain in the fringe, with the larger parties having more of a say.</p>
<p>IMHO, the framers intended for there to be more than two parties, but as things coalesced in the beginning of the 19th century, we got a two party system that only changed during times of dramatic upheaval.  </p>
<p>Having multiple parties would also lead to a president who is not so polarizing.</p>
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