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		By: Gig/freelancer economy roundup &#124; Overlawyered		</title>
		<link>https://www.overlawyered.com/2019/12/ab5-californias-much-predicted-freelancer-disaster/comment-page-1/#comment-357624</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gig/freelancer economy roundup &#124; Overlawyered]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jan 2020 11:02:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] on the chaotic, destructive effects of California&#8217;s AB5 (earlier here, here, [&#8230;]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] on the chaotic, destructive effects of California&#8217;s AB5 (earlier here, here, [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: U.S. Department of Labor steps back on joint-employer rule &#124; Overlawyered		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jan 2020 05:07:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] for which the 1950s are often (wrongly) idealized.&#8217; That very same goal is at the root of California’s unfolding debacle with AB5, a law that tries to force many lines of freelancing into a direct-employment model and is [&#8230;]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] for which the 1950s are often (wrongly) idealized.&#8217; That very same goal is at the root of California’s unfolding debacle with AB5, a law that tries to force many lines of freelancing into a direct-employment model and is [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: cc		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Dec 2019 16:28:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.overlawyered.com/2019/12/ab5-californias-much-predicted-freelancer-disaster/comment-page-1/#comment-357240&quot;&gt;Hugo S. Cunningham&lt;/a&gt;.

Hugo points out that &quot;California legislators believe the “gig economy” (freelancing) is abusive to broad categories of workers.&quot; They reject the idea that people freely choose their jobs. If you are delusional and think an acting gig or writing gig now and then is going to become a career, you should be free to entertain this delusion. It is also the case that people can piece together a living out of gigs when they can&#039;t find a full-time job, or even make a good living this way. Again, this is a choice.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.overlawyered.com/2019/12/ab5-californias-much-predicted-freelancer-disaster/comment-page-1/#comment-357240">Hugo S. Cunningham</a>.</p>
<p>Hugo points out that &#8220;California legislators believe the “gig economy” (freelancing) is abusive to broad categories of workers.&#8221; They reject the idea that people freely choose their jobs. If you are delusional and think an acting gig or writing gig now and then is going to become a career, you should be free to entertain this delusion. It is also the case that people can piece together a living out of gigs when they can&#8217;t find a full-time job, or even make a good living this way. Again, this is a choice.</p>
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		By: mike		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mike]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Dec 2019 14:54:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.overlawyered.com/2019/12/ab5-californias-much-predicted-freelancer-disaster/comment-page-1/#comment-357246&quot;&gt;SMH&lt;/a&gt;.

Mr. H, I believe that there is, in fact,  &quot;another story&quot; here. Cash tips are inconvenient for unions, such as SEIU, which organize restaurant employees, because the money goes directly to the tipped employee before the union can get its rake-off. 
I think that is the real motivation for efforts to ban tip compensation.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.overlawyered.com/2019/12/ab5-californias-much-predicted-freelancer-disaster/comment-page-1/#comment-357246">SMH</a>.</p>
<p>Mr. H, I believe that there is, in fact,  &#8220;another story&#8221; here. Cash tips are inconvenient for unions, such as SEIU, which organize restaurant employees, because the money goes directly to the tipped employee before the union can get its rake-off.<br />
I think that is the real motivation for efforts to ban tip compensation.</p>
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		By: SMH		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[SMH]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Dec 2019 17:40:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.overlawyered.com/2019/12/ab5-californias-much-predicted-freelancer-disaster/comment-page-1/#comment-357236&quot;&gt;Walter Olson&lt;/a&gt;.

Walter, it&#039;s actually not &quot;another story.&quot;  It&#039;s the same story -- thinking that &quot;government&quot; (which just means the kind of people who would serve in government) knows better than the market or the private sector.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.overlawyered.com/2019/12/ab5-californias-much-predicted-freelancer-disaster/comment-page-1/#comment-357236">Walter Olson</a>.</p>
<p>Walter, it&#8217;s actually not &#8220;another story.&#8221;  It&#8217;s the same story &#8212; thinking that &#8220;government&#8221; (which just means the kind of people who would serve in government) knows better than the market or the private sector.</p>
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		By: Hugo S. Cunningham		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Dec 2019 22:31:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[SCotUS has ruled (1995) for freelance writers getting paid

United States v. Treasury Employees, 513 U.S. 454 (1995)

The 1995 case has a similarity to California&#039;s impending regulation: Freelance writers being treated as acceptable collateral damage in political struggles that did not concern them. In 1995, SCotUS ruled that freelance authors (and presumably artists) enjoy special protections under the First Amendment. Proposed laws that infringe their livelihood are subject to extra scrutiny, to ensure they are tailored to the minimum required to meet a valid government purpose.

In 1989, there was a political panic about Congressional book deals-- influential Congressmen making bulk sales of mediocre books to lobbyists, as a way to get around income limitations. Congress responded with typical overkill-- a ban on book payments not just to Congressmen and other senior policy-makers, but also to 1,700,000 rank-and-file Federal employees. If your letter-carrier wanted, in his spare time, to supplement his income with paid lectures on local history, he would be out of luck.

Justice John Paul Stevens wrote the opinion throwing out this ban, far too broad for any reasonable anti-corruption purpose. (He suggested Congress could try again with a bill restricted to senior policy-makers.)

Justice Stevens specifically rejected an argument likely to be made by California officials-- that free speech can be exercised under the First Amendment even if the speaker cannot be paid. In the real World, a payment ban means less speech. Speakers have to make a living like everyone else. 

&#062;&quot;Publishers compensate authors because compensation provides a significant &#062;incentive toward more expression.
&#062;Footnote 14:
&#062;&quot;This proposition is self-evident even to those who do not fully accept Samuel &#062;Johnson&#039;s cynical comment: &quot; &#039;No man but a blockhead ever wrote, except for money.&#039; &#062;&quot; J. Boswell, Life of Samuel Johnson LL.D. 302 (R. Hutchins ed. 1952).&quot;

https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/513/454#fn2-1

California legislators believe the &quot;gig economy&quot; (freelancing) is abusive to broad categories of workers. Under the First Amendment, however, they either have to exempt freelance authors, or tailor special regulations to maximize opportunities for free expression.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SCotUS has ruled (1995) for freelance writers getting paid</p>
<p>United States v. Treasury Employees, 513 U.S. 454 (1995)</p>
<p>The 1995 case has a similarity to California&#8217;s impending regulation: Freelance writers being treated as acceptable collateral damage in political struggles that did not concern them. In 1995, SCotUS ruled that freelance authors (and presumably artists) enjoy special protections under the First Amendment. Proposed laws that infringe their livelihood are subject to extra scrutiny, to ensure they are tailored to the minimum required to meet a valid government purpose.</p>
<p>In 1989, there was a political panic about Congressional book deals&#8211; influential Congressmen making bulk sales of mediocre books to lobbyists, as a way to get around income limitations. Congress responded with typical overkill&#8211; a ban on book payments not just to Congressmen and other senior policy-makers, but also to 1,700,000 rank-and-file Federal employees. If your letter-carrier wanted, in his spare time, to supplement his income with paid lectures on local history, he would be out of luck.</p>
<p>Justice John Paul Stevens wrote the opinion throwing out this ban, far too broad for any reasonable anti-corruption purpose. (He suggested Congress could try again with a bill restricted to senior policy-makers.)</p>
<p>Justice Stevens specifically rejected an argument likely to be made by California officials&#8211; that free speech can be exercised under the First Amendment even if the speaker cannot be paid. In the real World, a payment ban means less speech. Speakers have to make a living like everyone else. </p>
<p>&gt;&#8221;Publishers compensate authors because compensation provides a significant &gt;incentive toward more expression.<br />
&gt;Footnote 14:<br />
&gt;&#8221;This proposition is self-evident even to those who do not fully accept Samuel &gt;Johnson&#8217;s cynical comment: &#8221; &#8216;No man but a blockhead ever wrote, except for money.&#8217; &gt;&#8221; J. Boswell, Life of Samuel Johnson LL.D. 302 (R. Hutchins ed. 1952).&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/513/454#fn2-1" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/513/454#fn2-1</a></p>
<p>California legislators believe the &#8220;gig economy&#8221; (freelancing) is abusive to broad categories of workers. Under the First Amendment, however, they either have to exempt freelance authors, or tailor special regulations to maximize opportunities for free expression.</p>
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		By: jimc5499		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Dec 2019 21:23:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Part time and Freelance workers are a problem to some because they can&#039;t be unionized.  That&#039;s the reason for these laws.  The reason that &quot;These were never good jobs&quot; is that they are not dues paying Union jobs.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Part time and Freelance workers are a problem to some because they can&#8217;t be unionized.  That&#8217;s the reason for these laws.  The reason that &#8220;These were never good jobs&#8221; is that they are not dues paying Union jobs.</p>
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		By: Walter Olson		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Walter Olson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Dec 2019 20:38:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.overlawyered.com/2019/12/ab5-californias-much-predicted-freelancer-disaster/comment-page-1/#comment-357235&quot;&gt;cc&lt;/a&gt;.

Not sure how cashiers do, but waiting on tables can be a decently remunerated, family-supporting job, most especially because of tips. Of course another branch of progressive workplace activists are trying to stamp out tip-dependent compensation too, but that&#039;s another story.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.overlawyered.com/2019/12/ab5-californias-much-predicted-freelancer-disaster/comment-page-1/#comment-357235">cc</a>.</p>
<p>Not sure how cashiers do, but waiting on tables can be a decently remunerated, family-supporting job, most especially because of tips. Of course another branch of progressive workplace activists are trying to stamp out tip-dependent compensation too, but that&#8217;s another story.</p>
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		By: cc		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[cc]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Dec 2019 20:08:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I know someone who was a part-time instructor at 3 different universities for years until they got a tenure-track job. This hatred of independent workers is sick and reflects a belief that jobs are magical somehow, and should always provide all the wonderful benefits. Another example is the belief that being a waitress or working the cash register at a restaurant should enable you to support a family (a &quot;living wage&quot;) when in reality those are jobs for people starting out to get experience or for those between jobs. Unless you can live in Beverly Hills they think you are being exploited.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know someone who was a part-time instructor at 3 different universities for years until they got a tenure-track job. This hatred of independent workers is sick and reflects a belief that jobs are magical somehow, and should always provide all the wonderful benefits. Another example is the belief that being a waitress or working the cash register at a restaurant should enable you to support a family (a &#8220;living wage&#8221;) when in reality those are jobs for people starting out to get experience or for those between jobs. Unless you can live in Beverly Hills they think you are being exploited.</p>
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