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		<title>CPSIA chronicles, March 3</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Walter Olson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 08:27:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s new blogging on the fate of pre-1985 children&#8217;s books from book restorer and conservator Javamom, Jane Badger (iBookNet, U.K.), Dillon Hillas, Wellspring Creations, and Small-Leaved Shamrock. Deputy Headmistress continues to blog the book angle intensively, as does Valerie Jacobsen (read this post in particular). Note also the comment from Nancy Welliver on her February [&#8230;]</p>
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<li>There&#8217;s new blogging on the <a href="http://city-journal.org/2009/eon0212wo.html">fate of</a> pre-1985 <a href="http://overlawyered.com/tag/cpsia-and-books/">children&#8217;s books</a> from book restorer and conservator <a href="http://booksncoffee.blogspot.com/2009/02/big-21st-century-childrens-book-banning.html">Javamom</a>, <a href="http://ibooknet-books4all.blogspot.com/2009/02/in-america-books-are-bad-for-you.html">Jane Badger</a> (iBookNet, U.K.), <a href="http://www.dillonhillas.com/dumspirospero/banning-old-childrens-books/">Dillon Hillas</a>, <a href="http://wellspringcreations.blogspot.com/2009/02/cpsia-and-vintage-childrens-books.html">Wellspring Creations</a>, and <a href="http://small-leavedshamrock.blogspot.com/2009/02/my-take-on-madness-banning-of-vintage.html">Small-Leaved Shamrock</a>. <img loading="lazy" src="https://www.overlawyered.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/teacheratclass-1.jpg" alt="Sorry no books today" title="Sorry no books today" width="240" height="193" class="alignright size-full wp-image-9521" /><a href="http://heartkeepercommonroom.blogspot.com/search/label/CPSIA">Deputy Headmistress</a> continues to blog the book angle intensively, as does <a href="http://bookroomblog.com/category/cpsia/">Valerie Jacobsen</a> (read <a href="http://bookroomblog.com/2009/02/28/cpsia-from-a-booksellers-perspective/">this post in particular</a>). Note also the comment from Nancy Welliver on <a href="http://bookroomblog.com/2009/02/11/a-law-with-no-consequences/">her February 11 post</a>: &#8220;We are a used curriculum and book seller. We have removed 3,500 books from our website. &#8230; until recently publishers did not put printing dates in books, only copyright dates. So a book that is copyrighted 1976 may have been printed in 1988 and therefore legal to sell, So how do we know which are printed before and which after 1985? So we have removed all books for children with copyright date 1985 and before.&#8221; There&#8217;s also a page at cpsia-central (the Ning group) <a href="http://cpsia-central.ning.com/group/booksproducerssellersusersschoolslibraries">on books and libraries</a>. </li>
<li>The law is also having a major impact on sellers of new children&#8217;s books, given that the only newer books presumed safe for legal purposes without testing are completely plain books with no embellishments or non-paper features. Don&#8217;t miss the <a href="http://wellspringcreations.blogspot.com/2009/02/half-price-books-unstocks-cpsia.html">letter at Wellspring Creations</a> from &#8220;Jackie&#8221;, who identifies herself as the manager of the children&#8217;s book section at a Half Price Books store, part of a large chain that sells publisher&#8217;s remainders and overstocks as well as used books:<br />
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<p>I have experienced the severity of this issue first-hand. &#8230; Initially, it didn&#8217;t seem like this would have much of an impact on the kids section, but as I went through my section pulling everything that was potentially harmful, I soon realized that this was going to decimate my section. My display tables were over halfway empty, and there were half-empty or completely empty shelves all throughout the section. &#8230; The kids cooking shelf went from being packed full to only having half a dozen books left, all because most of the cookbooks were spiral-bound with metal. &#8230;</p>
<p>The day that I had to get rid of all those books was one of the roughest days I&#8217;ve ever had at work. The kids section is my pride and joy, my baby, and I had to not only watch it get torn apart- I had to do it myself. It was heartbreaking.</p>
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<p>The happy ending, if you want to call it that, is that eventually many or most of the new books are likely to return to the shelves after the chain puts them through testing &#8212; though it&#8217;s more likely to take such a step for a mass-selling branded item piled high on display tables than for a specialty cookbook expected to sell only in the dozens of copies. Go <a href="http://wellspringcreations.blogspot.com/2009/02/half-price-books-unstocks-cpsia.html">read the whole thing</a>.</li>
<li><a href="http://www.communityhomestead.org/">Community Homestead</a> is a center for developmentally disabled adults in rural Wisconsin that has sold residents&#8217; handcraft toys. Its CPSIA story is <a href="http://www.shopfloor.org/2009/02/26/cpsia-update-the-ever-expanding-impact/">here</a>.
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<li>Dust-ups in comments sections are not my thing, but some people enjoy them, and they keep breaking out on the occasions when someone still attempts an aggressive defense of this bad law. Thus when the Chicago Daily Herald printed a letter from Alexandra Lozanoff of the Illinois Public Interest Research Group (PIRG) yesterday rhapsodizing about the law, numerous commenters jumped in to <a href="http://www.dailyherald.com/story/?id=275486">express rather sharp disagreement</a>.  A state legislator in Orangeburg, South Carolina put her name to a piece in the local paper attacking Sen. Jim DeMint for <a href="http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2009/02/congress_turns_toy_story_into.html">sponsoring CPSIA reform</a>, provoking <a href="http://www.timesanddemocrat.com/articles/2009/02/18/opinion/doc4999fe4b1b76c820406640.txt">dozens of comments</a>, most taking issue. The Natural Resources Defense Council, which is invested in defending CPSIA in part because of the law&#8217;s <a href="http://switchboard.nrdc.org/blogs/sjanssen/court_agrees_phthalates_are_ba.html">phthalates ban</a>, ran an ill-informed piece pretentiously titled &#8220;The Artisan Toymaker’s CPSIA Exemption Guide&#8221; and was promptly spanked by knowledgeable commenters, a fate that also befell the left-leaning crew at <a href="http://www.momsrising.org/CPSIA+2#comment-93882">Moms Rising</a>. The <a href="http://crookedtimber.org/2009/02/12/toy-story-ii/">lengthy comments section</a> on John Holbo&#8217;s thoughtful followup post at Crooked Timber presented the spectacle of one agitated and flailing defender of the law pretty much surrounded by people trying to talk sense into him. Someone adopting the monicker &#8220;Civil Justice&#8221; wandered into the Etsy forums to <a href="http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=6013238&#038;page=68">push Lawsuit Lobby views</a> and was <a href="http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=6013238&#038;page=59">not met with pleasure</a> by the <a href="http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=6013238&#038;page=68">assembled crafters</a>, an episode which may be related to the one <a href="http://overlawyered.com/2009/02/cpsia-fifty-stars-and-an-asterisk/">already told</a> about how the misnamed Center for Justice and Democracy, a group with views antipodal to our own, <a href="http://is.gd/hgyJ">suggested</a> that we all were insensitive to children&#8217;s health and then refused to let any letters from critics through moderation, <a href="http://cpsiacheerleader.com/2009/01/29/take-your-thumbs-out-of-your-mouths-grow-up-and-accept-that-the-country-needed-to-stop-children-from-dying-or-being-made-sick-from-toxic-toys/">claiming</a> to feel threatened by the letters&#8217; tone (examples of the <a href="http://twitter.com/kfasanella/status/1158739971">sorts</a> of letter CJD found too intimidating in tone to run: <a href="http://www.rescuemarketing.com/blog/2009/01/29/andy-hoffman-grow-up-cpsia-whiners/">Mark Riffey,</a> <a href="http://cpsiacheerleader.com/2009/01/29/take-your-thumbs-out-of-your-mouths-grow-up-and-accept-that-the-country-needed-to-stop-children-from-dying-or-being-made-sick-from-toxic-toys/">Olivia @ BabyCandyStore</a>). Some other previously linked comments discussions: The Pump Handle (profoundly misguided contributor corrected by <a href="http://thepumphandle.wordpress.com/2009/01/28/dont-delay-rule-on-lead-in-childrens-toys/">Deputy Headmistress, Kathleen Fasanella</a>, etc.), <a href="http://blogs.consumerreports.org/money/2009/01/anticpsia-stories-increase-as-implementation-approaches.html">Consumer Reports</a>, <a href="http://grecowoodcrafting.wordpress.com/2008/12/18/more-on-the-cpsia/">Greco Woodcrafting</a> (Public Citizen&#8217;s David Arkush vs. the world), and, of course, <a href="http://is.gd/hWCa">Justinian Lane</a>. </li>
<p><img loading="lazy" src="https://www.overlawyered.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/childatdesk-1.jpg" alt="G-O-O-D-B-Y-E B-O-O-K-S" title="G-O-O-D-B-Y-E B-O-O-K-S" width="240" height="186" class="alignright size-full wp-image-9522" /></p>
<li>Even a casual acquaintance with CPSIA blogging is enough to show that homeschooling parents have taken an extraordinary role in leading the resistance to the law. Bloggers like <a href="http://www.califmom.com/homeschool/2009/01/how-will-the-cpsia-impact-homeschoolers.html">CalifMom</a> have predicted that the law will have numerous harmful impacts on homeschoolers, and homeschool curriculum suppliers such as <a href="http://handsandhearts.com/index.asp?PageAction=Custom&#038;ID=99">Hands and Hearts History Discovery Kits</a> and <a href="http://www.hopechestlegacy.com/index.php">Hope Chest Legacy</a> have already closed down because of the impracticability of compliance. So it&#8217;s unfortunate that the <a href="http://www.hslda.org/">Home School Legal Defense Association</a> (HSLDA) <a href="http://bookroomblog.com/2009/02/13/no-problem-for-cottage-industries/">seems to</a> <a href="http://www.hslda.org/docs/news/200902100.asp">have so</a> <a href="http://buriedtreasurebooks.com/weblog/?p=2532">little clue</a> what&#8217;s <a href="http://blakeney-academy.blogspot.com/2009/02/cpsia-is-real-issue-despite-what-hslda.html">going on</a>.</li>
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		<title>WhoCanISue.com</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Walter Olson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 16:06:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[<p>Another entry into the genre of for-profit websites offering to match aggrieved visitors with lawyers, this one is said to be based on a slightly tweaked format (including &#8220;talk to a live lawyer&#8221; options) sidestepping certain potential pitfalls ethical and otherwise. (Siobhan Morrissey, Time, Aug. 6). Per its press release: &#8230;The unique process used by [&#8230;]</p>
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										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another entry into the genre of for-profit websites offering to match aggrieved visitors with lawyers, <a href="http://tinyurl.com/5atswu">this one</a> is said to be based on a slightly tweaked format (including &#8220;talk to a live lawyer&#8221; options) sidestepping certain potential pitfalls ethical and otherwise. (Siobhan Morrissey, Time, <a href="http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1829725,00.html">Aug. 6</a>). Per its <a href="http://www.techweb.com/showPressRelease.jhtml?articleID=X713690">press release</a>: </p>
<blockquote><p>&#8230;The unique process used by WhoCanISue.com also ensures that cases are not jeopardized inadvertently, a common pitfall of some other approaches to online matchmaking. Because WhoCanISue.com does not require submission of open-ended descriptions of the facts of the user’s claim, users are not forced to divulge information that could be deemed a waiver of the attorney-client priviledge [sic] resulting in the information being introduced in court and used against them.</p>
<p>WhoCanISue.com does not generate “leads” to potential clients, a method commonly used in online legal marketing that violates ethical rules governing most attorneys’ advertising.  Instead, WhoCanISue.com’s patent pending model allows attorneys to bid on real-time ad placements – usually limited to five attorneys – delivered to users who have completed question paths to determine their qualification for a particular claim.</p></blockquote>
<p>An earlier entry in the legal-matchmaking field, <a href="http://tinyurl.com/45afo6">SueEasy.com</a>, <a href="http://overlawyered.com/2007/10/october-19-roundup/">has come</a> in for a fair bit of criticism in and out of the profession (&#8220;<a href="http://overlawyered.com/2008/04/sueeasycom/">hairball generator</a>&#8220;, &#8220;<a href="http://overlawyered.com/2007/10/october-25-roundup/">incredibly stupid</a>&#8221; idea, &#8220;like a <a href="http://overlawyered.com/2008/04/welcome-upi-readers/">carpool for ambulance chasers</a>&#8220;, etc.). </p>
<p><strong>Reactions</strong>: Bill Childs <a href="http://lawprofessors.typepad.com/tortsprof/2008/08/iso-defendant.html">does some legwork</a> on the site&#8217;s sponsorship, throwing cold water on <a href="http://tinyurl.com/5p4nqj">hasty, sloppy, or gullible</a> speculation in some circles that the site might be a false-flag operation.  <a href="http://www.newyorkpersonalinjuryattorneyblog.com/2008/04/is-sueeasy-worst-lawyer-idea-ever.html">Eric Turkewitz</a> and <a href="http://legalblogwatch.typepad.com/legal_blog_watch/2008/08/another-lawyer.html">Carolyn Elefant</a> aren&#8217;t any more impressed this time around than they were with SueEasy.com. </p>

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		<title>How trial lawyer urban legends get started</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ted Frank]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 12:30:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[<p>Public Citizen wrote a report about New York medical malpractice that said: Physicians who made three or more malpractice payments between 1990 and 2006 – accounting for no more than 4 percent of New York’s doctors – were responsible for nearly half (49.6 percent) of medical malpractice dollars paid out on behalf of doctors in [&#8230;]</p>
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										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Public Citizen wrote a report about New York medical malpractice that said:</p>
<blockquote><p>Physicians who made three or more malpractice payments between 1990 and 2006 – accounting for no more than 4 percent of New York’s doctors – were responsible for nearly half (49.6 percent) of medical malpractice dollars paid out on behalf of doctors in the time period.</p></blockquote>
<p>This is technically true, but wildly misleading; we <a href="http://overlawyered.com/2008/04/4-of-doctors-responsible-for-50-of-payouts/">previously refuted this precise statistic</a> as a natural statistical consequence of any randomly distributed set of payouts&#8211;and given that doctors in high-risk professions such as neurosurgery or ob/gyn are far more likely to be sued than dermatologists or gerontologists, the random concentration effect is going to be even more pronounced, so the Public Citizen statistic is meaningless without a showing of speciality-adjusted correlation between time periods&#8211;something no study has ever found.</p>
<p>But note how blogger Eric Turkewitz writes an <a href="http://lohud.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080729/OPINION/807290310/1076/OPINION01">op-ed in a small-town New York newspaper</a> that isn&#8217;t even satisfied with simply misleading the public, and says something that is out-and-out false:</p>
<blockquote><p>4 percent of the state&#8217;s doctors contribut[e] to half of the malpractice <strong><em>suits </em></strong>[emphasis added]</p></blockquote>
<p>Not remotely true.  &#8220;Nearly half of payments&#8221; has been turned into &#8220;half of malpractice suits.&#8221;  Justinian Lane, who knows or should know that the latter statistic isn&#8217;t true, because his blog posted about the original statistic, then repeats the lie either thoughtlessly or deliberately:</p>
<blockquote><p><span style="font-family: Verdana;">Maybe doctors should discipline the <em>four percent </em>of doctors that make up <em>half </em>of all malpractice claims.</span></p></blockquote>
<p>Will either of them retract the false claim with the same fanfare that they made it?  Stay tuned.  (They certainly won&#8217;t explain that <a href="http://overlawyered.com/2008/04/4-of-doctors-responsible-for-50-of-payouts/">there&#8217;s nothing damning about the accurate statistic</a>&#8211;though I have been refuting this <a href="http://www.pointoflaw.com/archives/000837.php">for over three years</a>, Public Citizen and trial lawyers and their fans continue to regurgitate the data as if it means something.)</p>

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		<title>An interesting double-standard</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jul 2008 13:24:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[<p>Justinian Lane crows: Pfizer fined by an Australian trade group! Indeed it was; drug reps went off the reservation of what they were supposed to talk about without telling managers, and exaggerated the health effects of a competing drugs for personal profit. (Note that there was no need for a regulator or plaintiffs&#8217; attorneys to [&#8230;]</p>
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										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Justinian Lane crows: <a href="http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/07/in-australia-pfizer-is-guilty-of-discrediting-pharma/">Pfizer fined by an Australian trade group</a>!  Indeed it was; drug reps went off the reservation of what they were supposed to talk about without telling managers, and exaggerated the health effects of a competing drugs for personal profit. (Note that there was no need for a regulator or plaintiffs&#8217; attorneys to get involved; this was entirely an <a href="http://www.medicinesaustralia.com.au/pages/index.asp">Australian free-market self-policing arrangement through contractual agreements</a> that fined Pfizer.  Lane forgets to mention that part.)</p>
<p>Lane thinks this is a just result worth noting.  So let us consider that trial lawyers do the same thing every day: lie about or exaggerate health effects of drugs for profit (just Google the name of any prescription drug to get a lawyer&#8217;s ad)&#8211;and without the intermediating effects of doctors to assess the claims and correctly inform patients, so it is clearly worse.  But the lawyers do so with impunity, with no consequences for the adverse health effects on patients.  (E.g., <a href="http://www.pointoflaw.com/archives/003989.php">POL June 2007</a>; <a href="http://www.pointoflaw.com/archives/2008/02/avandia-not-so-harmful-after-a.php">POL Feb. 12</a>.)  There&#8217;s no private cause of action; and the trial bar and its professional organizations lionize such tactics, rather than punish them. All we can do is criticize plaintiffs&#8217; lawyers for putting profits before people.</p>

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		<title>Richard Neely&#8217;s lack of irony (III)</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[<p>You may recall a manufactured dispute over the former West Virginia Justice Richard Neely&#8216;s quote in The Product Liability Mess: As long as I am allowed to redistribute wealth from out-of-state companies to in-state plaintiffs, I shall continue to do so. Not only is my sleep enhanced when I give someone else’s money away, but [&#8230;]</p>
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										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You may recall a <a href="http://overlawyered.com/2008/06/was-richard-neely-being-ironic/">manufactured dispute</a> over the former <a href="http://overlawyered.com/tag/west-virginia/">West Virginia</a> Justice <a href="http://overlawyered.com/tag/richard-neely/">Richard Neely</a>&#8216;s quote in <a href="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0029226805/thf2homepageA"><em>The Product Liability Mess</em></a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>As long as I am allowed to redistribute wealth from out-of-state companies to in-state plaintiffs, I shall continue to do so. Not only is my sleep enhanced when I give someone else’s money away, but so is my job security, because the in-state plaintiffs, their families and their friends will re-elect me.</p></blockquote>
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<p>Elizabeth Thornburg, <a href="http://overlawyered.com/tag/justinian-lane/">Justinian Lane</a>, and then Richard Neely himself all claimed that Neely was being &#8220;ironic&#8221; or &#8220;sarcastic.&#8221;  Of course, as <a href="http://overlawyered.com/2008/06/was-richard-neely-being-ironic/">numerous other quotes from the book</a> (not to mention <a href="http://overlawyered.com/2008/06/more-on-neely-the-product-liability-mes/">Neely&#8217;s contemporaneous observations</a>) show, no one who has actually read <a href="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0029226805/thf2homepageA">the book</a> could possibly believe that Neely was being ironic.</p>
<p>So this is perhaps entirely redundant, but it is worth providing some cumulative evidence from a check of the public record.  For example, Neely claims he was being &#8220;ironic&#8221; to &#8220;sell books&#8221; and didn&#8217;t really mean it.  Then what&#8217;s his excuse when he explicitly used the same reasoning <strong>in an opinion he wrote as a West Virginia Supreme Court Justice</strong> as a rationale for unjustly treating a corporate defendant?</p>
<blockquote><p>Indeed, in some world other than the one in which we live, where this Court were called upon to make national policy, we might very well take a meat ax to some current product liability rules. Therefore, we do not claim that our adoption of rules liberal to plaintiffs comports, necessarily, with some Platonic ideal of perfect justice. Rather, for a tiny state incapable of controlling the direction of national law in terms of appropriate trade-offs among employment, research, development, and compensation for the injured users of products, the adoption of rules liberal to plaintiffs is simple self-defense.  [Blankenship v. General Motors Corp., 406 S.E.2d 781, 786 (W.Va. 1991).]</p></blockquote>
<p>If Neely was being &#8220;ironic&#8221; here, someone should give General Motors back its money.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s also worth noting that Justice Neely said the exact same thing in <strong>testimony before Congress</strong> on September 12, 1991 (139 Cong. Rec. S2090-02):</p>
<blockquote><p>If you ask the average state judge whether she would like to redistribute some wealth from, say, Colt firearms to a local resident who was severely injured in a shooting accident, the judge will probably answer &#8220;yes.&#8221;  But if you ask the same judge to make a choice between high local employment in Colt&#8217;s plants on the one hand, and redistribution of Colt&#8217;s money on the other, she is likely to favor high employment over simple wealth redistribution.  The problem is that except for the U.S. Supreme Court, no American judge can affect these trade-offs.</p>
<p>If, for example, as a West Virginia judge I insist that West Virginia have conservative product liability law, all I will do is reduce my friends&#8217; and neighbors&#8217; claims on the existing pool of product liability insurance paid for by consumers through &#8220;premiums&#8221; incorporated into the price of everything we buy.  <strong>This is the explicit rationale of Blankenship versus General Motors, 406 S.E.2d 781 (W.Va. 1991). &#8230;</strong></p>
<p><strong>Thus, as a state judge I have admitted in a unanimous opinion written for the highest court of one of the fifty states that we, as a state court, cannot be rational in the crafting of product liability rules. </strong>[emphasis added]</p></blockquote>
<p>If Neely was being &#8220;ironic&#8221; here, he forgot to tell Congress.</p>
<p>Of course, anyone who has read the book already knows that Neely was not being ironic.  The only people who could suggest otherwise are either ignorant (because they have not read the book, as in the case of Justinian, who, as is his wont, made wild-eyed allegations without getting his facts straight) or, if they have read the book&#8230; well, judge for yourself why someone would falsely suggest that a straight statement was ironic.  The question remains how a SMU law professor would make such a patently false claim in a law review article, or how such a claim survived fact-checking.</p>
<p>Separately: note that Neely&#8217;s argument remains unrebutted (even by the present-day plaintiffs&#8217; lawyer Neely), and explains as well as anything else why federal preemption is absolutely necessary (and entirely consistent with Hamiltonian/Madisonian federalism) in the litigation over interstate commerce.</p>

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		<title>Knology arbitration clause</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[<p>Overlawyered favorite Justinian Lane thinks he&#8217;s discovered a smoking gun in the Knology arbitration clause: All disputes arising out of or relating to this agreement (other than actions for the collections of debts you owe us) including, without limitation, any dispute based on any service or advertising of the services related thereto, shall be resolved [&#8230;]</p>
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										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Overlawyered favorite Justinian Lane thinks he&#8217;s discovered a smoking gun in the <a href="http://support.knology.net/content/legal.internet.terms.cfm">Knology arbitration clause</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p><span style="background-color: #ffffff;"> All disputes arising out of or relating to this agreement (<strong><em>other than actions for the collections of debts you owe us) </em></strong>including, without limitation, any dispute based on any service or advertising of the services related thereto, shall be resolved by final and binding arbitration… (Emphasis added.)</span></p></blockquote>
<p><span id="more-7153"></span>Aha! Justinian <a href="http://www.tortdeform.com/archives/2008/06/another_nail_in_the_arbitratio.html#comments">thinks</a>: proof (or, as he exaggerates, &#8220;the final nail in the coffin&#8221;) that arbitration isn&#8217;t cheaper than court for debt collection!  Except Justinian, as his is wont, hasn&#8217;t read the entire contract, and misses the real kicker to the consumer in ¶ 17:</p>
<blockquote><p>Subject to the arbitration and dispute resolution requirements of Paraqraph 16 this Agreement is governed by and construed in accordance with the laws of the State of Georgia and You consent to the jurisdiction of the federal District Courts of Georgia and the Circuit and District Courts of Fulton County, Georgia with respect to any dispute arising under this Agreement.</p></blockquote>
<p>Yes, Justinian, if he tries to skip out on his debt to Knology, will face a lawsuit in Fulton County, Georgia, where he has accepted personal jurisdiction 767 miles away from his hometown.  But at least he won&#8217;t have to arbitrate!  (NB Fulton County debt collection has <a href="http://en.allexperts.com/q/Collections-Law-912/Chase-Bank-garnishing-wages.htm">horror stories</a> at least as bad as anything Public Citizen concocted in its anti-arbitration report.)</p>
<p>Are there jurisdictions with efficient debt-collection procedures in court that work out to be cheaper than arbitrators?  I don&#8217;t doubt it, and perhaps Fulton County is one of them.  Some providers, however, would prefer not to force their customers to go cross-country in a debt proceeding, and recognize that arbitration will be cheaper than trying to collect debts in thousands of jurisdictions across the country.  The Knology agreement certainly doesn&#8217;t contradict this; that Justinian has found an agreement that is worse for debtors than a straightforward mandatory binding arbitration clause is hardly an argument for outlawing mandatory binding arbitration clauses.  It just shows that banning mandatory binding arbitration will make consumers worse off, because vendors who can&#8217;t count on arbitration will instead use forum-selection clauses to protect themselves from hellhole jurisdictions.</p>
<p>(Separately, Justinian&#8217;s figures for the fee schedule for NAF ignores the legal expenses involved in filing in court versus filing with an arbitrator; multiple court appearances and filings are needed, versus a single filing with an arbitrator.)</p>

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		<title>June 12 roundup</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[<p>As I type this post, I&#8217;m listening to Andrew Frey argue Conrad Black&#8217;s appeal before Judge Posner and the Seventh Circuit. Posner seems to be confused over whether incorrect jury instructions can be prejudicial in a general verdict. [Bashman roundup; earlier] &#8220;For years families bogged down in Harris County [Texas] probate courts have accused judges [&#8230;]</p>
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<li>As I type this post, I&#8217;m <a href="http://www.ca7.uscourts.gov/fdocs/docs.fwx?submit=showbr&amp;shofile=07-4080_046.mp3">listening</a> to Andrew Frey argue Conrad Black&#8217;s appeal before Judge Posner and the Seventh Circuit.  Posner seems to be confused over whether incorrect jury instructions can be prejudicial in a general verdict. [<a href="http://howappealing.law.com/060608.html#029062">Bashman roundup</a>; <a href="http://overlawyered.com/?s=%22conrad+black%22&amp;x=0&amp;y=0">earlier</a>]</li>
<li>&#8220;For years families bogged down in Harris County [Texas] probate courts have accused judges of bleeding estates of tens of thousands of dollars to pay high-priced lawyers for unnecessary work.&#8221; [<a href="http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/casey/5821892.html">Houston Chronicle</a>; <a href="http://www.1stcoa.courts.state.tx.us/opinions/pdfopinion.asp?OpinionId=85500"><em>Alpert v. Riley</em></a> (Tex. App. Jun. 5, 2008) (<a href="http://www.abajournal.com/news/houston_law_firm_may_have_to_repay_1m_in_legal_fees_okd_by_judge/#When:12:30:00Z">via</a>)]</li>
<li>Company sets policy. Employee violates policy. Is corporation criminally responsible for employee&#8217;s act? [<a href="http://www.pointoflaw.com/archives/2008/06/vicarious-corporate-liability.php">POL</a>; <a href="http://fcpablog.blogspot.com/2008/06/justice-for-corporate-defendants.html">FCPA blog</a>; <a href="http://lawprofessors.typepad.com/whitecollarcrime_blog/2008/06/re-evaluating-c.html">Podgor</a>]</li>
<li>Merrill Lynch banker asks for investigation of Enron Task Force withholding of exculpatory evidence [<a href="http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&amp;sid=auG1P_QiS1Fg">Bloomberg</a>]</li>
<li>When calculating the costs of medical malpractice suits, let&#8217;s not forget the noneconomic costs.  &#8220;In the<a href="http://overlawyered.com/tag/john-ritter/"> [John] Ritter case</a>, the jury agreed with the defendant physicians and exonerated them of any liability. They were lucky. How lucky? They were able to spend four years with attorneys worrying about their future, including the potential that they would be ordered to pay tens of millions of dollars and be left penniless.  So, they didn&#8217;t really win. They just lost less.&#8221;  [<a href="http://www.em-news.com/pt/re/emmednews/fulltext.00132981-200805000-00011.htm;jsessionid=LsNM4gQdtXQ6B0RRy1NnS1xS12mXwcZflDRYnjY2W9prSvJHnDkJ%21-2123996546%21181195629%218091%21-1">EM News</a> via <a href="http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2008/05/john-ritter-defendants-they-just-lost.html">Kevin MD</a> via <a href="http://doctorrw.blogspot.com/2008/05/john-ritter-defendants-did-they-really.html">Dr. RW</a>]</li>
<li>Nor should we forget the defensive medicine costs. [<a href="http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2008/06/dr-sss-two-most-expensive-words-in.html">Kevin MD</a>]</li>
<li>Legal reform = job creation. [<a href="http://americancourthouse.com/2008/05/16/legal-reformjob-creation.html">American Courthouse</a>]</li>
<li>According to Justinian Lane, if you&#8217;re reading this post, you&#8217;re a &#8220;spineless sycophant.&#8221; [<a href="http://www.tortdeform.com/archives/2008/06/are_reformers_lying_or_just_be.html#comment-15407">Bizarro-Overlawyered</a>]</li>
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					<description><![CDATA[<p>As I&#8217;ve previously noted: “As long as I am allowed to redistribute wealth from out-of-state companies to in-state plaintiffs, I shall continue to do so. Not only is my sleep enhanced when I give someone else’s money away, but so is my job security, because the in-state plaintiffs, their families and their friends will re-elect [&#8230;]</p>
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										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As <a href="http://overlawyered.com/2008/01/richard-neely-and-arbitration-and-the-godless-bloodsuckers/">I&#8217;ve previously noted</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>“As long as I am allowed to redistribute wealth from out-of-state companies to in-state plaintiffs, I shall continue to do so.  Not only is my sleep enhanced when I give someone else’s money away, but so is my job security, because the in-state plaintiffs, their families and their friends will re-elect me. ”</p></blockquote>
<p style="text-align: right;">&#8212; Richard Neely, Justice, West Virginia Supreme Court, <a href="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0029226805/thf2homepageA"><em>The Product Liability Mess</em></a><em> </em>at 4<a href="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0029226805/thf2homepageA"><em><br />
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<p><span id="more-7141"></span>In his latest attack on Overlawyered, Justinian Lane <a href="http://www.tortdeform.com/archives/2008/06/are_reformers_lying_or_just_be.html#comments">claims</a> that Walter Olson and I have misused this quote, because Justice Neely was being &#8220;ironic.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m holding <em>The Product Liability Mess</em> in front of me, and Neely is most certainly not being &#8220;ironic&#8221;: he is offering a <em>mea culpa</em>.  Here&#8217;s the full paragraph (emphasis added), to show that it&#8217;s not being taken out of context:</p>
<blockquote><p>The anarchy that current prevails among American state jurisdictions absolutely guarantees <em>politically </em>that no line of any sort will be drawn.  <strong>After all, I&#8217;m not the only appellate judge who wants to sleep at night. </strong>As long as I am allowed to redistribute wealth from out-of-state companies to in-state plaintiffs, I shall continue to do so. Not only is my sleep enhanced when I give someone else’s money away, but so is my job security, because the in-state plaintiffs, their families and their friends will re-elect me. ”</p></blockquote>
<p>And from the very first page:</p>
<blockquote><p>[U]p to this very moment in my life I have been part of the problem rather than part of the solution.  As a state court judge, much of my time is devoted to designing elaborate new ways to make business pay for everyone else&#8217;s bad luck.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>And here&#8217;s one more quote from pp. 70-72, with Neely talking about a <strong>specific</strong> West Virginia case, again emphasis added:</p>
<blockquote><p><strong>From what I know </strong><strong>about myself and my colleagues</strong>, I have the distinct impression that in a product liability case the vote would have been 3 to 2 the other way, and the whole $10 million judgment would have been sustained.  Had a defective Ford automobile killed the little boy, even I would have had none of the enthusiasm for reducing the judgment that I had when the judgment against the defendants would affect business and consumer costs in West Virginia.  What do I care about the Ford Motor Company?  To my knowledge Ford employs no one in West Virginia in its manufacturing processes&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;The best that I can do, <strong>and I do it all the time</strong>, is make sure that my own state&#8217;s residents get more money out of Michigan than Michigan residents get out of us.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>That, dear readers, is not irony.</p>
<p>Neely goes on to argue for the need for federal preemption to solve the product liability problem to protect the American economy from judges like him. Justinian clearly never read the book before he made his personal attack.</p>
<p>Lane bases his argument on a few <em>ipse dixit </em>sentences from Elizabeth Thornburg&#8217;s <a href="http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1123808">advocacy piece in the West Virginia Law Review</a> attacking the characterization of West Virginia as a judicial hellhole.  Thornburg, whose citations cherry-pick studies favorable to her conclusions, while ignoring those that are not, largely ignores or elides the real reasons why reformers justly call West Virginia a judicial hellhole.  For example, her paper does not mention <span class="BodyText"><em>State ex rel. Johnson &amp; Johnson Corp. v. Karl</em>, where two justices of the WV Supreme Court majority expressly adopted Neely&#8217;s point of view about redistribution from out-of-state corporations to local doctors, much less<em> </em></span>the <a href="http://www.aei.org/publications/filter.all,pubID.27111/pub_detail.asp">Beck/Frank critique of the West Virginia Supreme Court&#8217;s decision in <em>Karl</em></a>.  There are arguments about some anecdotes, <a href="http://overlawyered.com/2006/07/when-obtaining-medico-legal-diagnoses/">but</a> <a href="http://overlawyered.com/2007/05/updates-may-31/">not </a>about <a href="http://overlawyered.com/tag/west-virginia/">others</a>.  The paper doesn&#8217;t mention Trial Court Rule 26.01, <a href="http://www.shb.com/FileUploads/reversebifurcation_2186.pdf">reverse bifurcation in West Virginia</a>, and the <a href="http://www.uschamber.com/NR/rdonlyres/ebmjikhsi7maq6xrwc2bvwarltgywtpwizzfl4uieiec3vej6tcxdu26so3tefbflvzvtrjarb4xlk26zproftivh6f/philipmorrisvaccord.pdf">appalling violation of due process it creates</a>.  Her paper also dishonestly claims that the state&#8217;s &#8220;medical monitoring&#8221; jurisprudence is in the &#8220;mainstream,&#8221; <a href="http://druganddevicelaw.blogspot.com/2007/04/medical-monitoring-compendium.html">which</a> <a href="http://www.wlf.org/upload/2-09-07behrensl.pdf">is</a> <a href="http://news.findlaw.com/andrews/en/tox/20070109/20070109_paz.html">most</a> <a href="http://www.shb.com/FileUploads/medicalmonitoringinmissouri_2269.pdf">certainly</a> <a href="http://www.wlf.org/upload/082605LBHerrmann.pdf">not</a> <a href="http://druganddevicelaw.blogspot.com/2008/01/from-bexis-in-box-medical-monitoring.html">true</a>, but is a claim that must be justified to falsify the reformer critique of the state&#8217;s justice system.</p>
<p>Lane demands a retraction, but he seems to be the one who needs to make a retraction of his erroneous claims.  Given <a href="http://overlawyered.com/tag/justinian-lane/">Justinian Lane</a>&#8216;s previous record, we doubt one is forthcoming.</p>

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					<description><![CDATA[<p>At Bizarro-Overlawyered, Justinian Lane states: Ted Frank at Overlawyered falsely claims that “In civil court, a default judgment can be obtained merely on a plaintiff’s say so. In contrast, most arbitration agreements require the arbitrator to scrutinize the evidence before granting an award, even when the debtor does not contest the arbitration claim…” A default [&#8230;]</p>
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										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At Bizarro-Overlawyered, Justinian Lane <a href="http://www.tortdeform.com/archives/2008/06/businessweek_on_consumer_arbit.html#comments">states</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>Ted Frank at Overlawyered <a href="../2008/06/that-day-in-court/">falsely claims</a> that “In civil court, a default judgment can be obtained merely on a plaintiff’s say so.  In contrast, most arbitration agreements require the arbitrator to scrutinize the evidence before granting an award, even when the debtor does not contest the arbitration claim…”  A default judgment against a debtor will be based upon the same evidence in civil court or in arbitration: an affidavit or affidavits from the creditor alleging that the debtor owes a specific sum.  Both the judge and the arbitrator will “scrutinize” the affidavit in the <em>same way</em>; they’ll check to make sure names and sums are correct.</p></blockquote>
<p>It will be no surprise to long-time readers of Overlawyered that <a href="http://overlawyered.com/tag/justinian-lane/">Justinian Lane</a> is 100% incorrect.</p>
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<p>A defendant who fails to appear in court <em>defaults</em>.  As FRCP 55(b)(1) states (emphasis added):</p>
<blockquote><p>If the plaintiff&#8217;s claim is for a             sum certain or a sum that can be made certain             by computation, the clerk — on the plaintiff&#8217;s             request, with an affidavit showing the amount             due — <strong>must enter judgment for that amount and             costs</strong> against a defendant who has been             defaulted for not appearing and who is neither a             minor nor an incompetent person.</p></blockquote>
<p>The allegations in the complaint are assumed to be true, and judgment is granted for the plaintiff-creditor without further ado so long as the boilerplate is legally sufficient, regardless of the merits of the defendant&#8217;s case or the meritlessness of the plaintiff&#8217;s case.<em> </em>In contrast, here is Rule 36 of the <a href="http://www.adrforum.com/users/naf/resources/20070801CodeOfProcedure.pdf">National Arbitration Forum Code of Procedure</a>, which is typical of arbitration procedure:</p>
<blockquote><p>RULE 36. Arbitration Proceedings in Absence of a Party.</p>
<p>A. An Arbitrator may issue an Award or Order when any Party has failed to respond, appear, or proceed at a Hearing, or otherwise defend as provided in this Code.</p>
<p>B. If a Party does not respond to a Claim, an Arbitrator will timely review the merits of the Claim for purposes of issuing an Award or Order. The Claimant need not submit an additional Request for an Award.</p>
<p>C. An Arbitrator may require an Affidavit, information or Documents from Parties who have appeared or conduct a Hearing to Receive evidence necessary to issue an Award or Order. Documents submitted in Response to an Arbitrator’s Request shall be filed with the Forum no later than thirty (30) days after the date of the Request. A Party may obtain forty-five (45) additional days to respond to an Arbitrator’s Request by filing with the Forum and Delivering to all other Parties an extension notice before the initial thirty (30) day time period expires. Only one (1) extension by notice is available.</p>
<p>D. Each Party making an Appearance shall be provided notices relating to a Hearing.</p>
<p>E. <strong>No Award or Order shall be issued against a Party solely because that Party failed to respond, appear or defend.<br />
</strong></p></blockquote>
<p>Creditors in arbitration have no default rights.  If they can&#8217;t prove their case, they get nothing.  Arbitration gives debtors rights that they would not have in court. Justinian&#8217;s claim that defaults in arbitration are just like defaults in court is simply wrong.  My claim is true, and it is Justinian&#8217;s claim that is false.</p>
<p>Little surprise that the litigation lobby&#8217;s arguments for depriving consumers of the choice to pre-commit to arbitrating disputes are so thin that they have to make up facts.</p>
<p>(Justinian&#8217;s post also repeats the canard that because the <a href="http://www.uschamber.com/issues/letters/2008/080501_anti_arbitration.htm">anti-arbitration bills</a> only ban mandatory arbitration, consumers haven&#8217;t lost any choice because they can still arbitrate if they like.  Of course, we&#8217;ve <a href="http://overlawyered.com/2008/02/the-war-on-arbitration-jamie-leigh-jones-tracy-barker-halliburton-v/#more-5864">repeatedly demonstrated</a> why pre-commitments to arbitration are necessary for honest consumers to realize the maximum benefits from arbitration, and Justinian&#8217;s failure to acknowledge that argument, as well as his failure to account for the <a href="http://www.adrforum.com/newsroom.aspx?itemID=1408">refutation of the Business Week story</a>, further demonstrate the bad faith of the <a href="http://overlawyered.com/2007/11/adr-thems-fightin-words/">litigation lobby&#8217;s campaign against consumer choice</a>.)</p>

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					<description><![CDATA[<p>As if to demonstrate that their website is simply reflexively anti-reform rather than anything to do with the justice they supposedly aspire to, one of their trolling bloggers attacks the American Justice Partnership for seeking predictability in the law (and does so by quoting a positively deranged anonymous blogger). Of course, predictability&#8212;that like cases are [&#8230;]</p>
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										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As if to demonstrate that their website is simply reflexively anti-reform rather than anything to do with the justice they supposedly aspire to, one of their trolling bloggers attacks the American Justice Partnership for seeking predictability in the law (and does so by quoting a positively deranged anonymous blogger).  Of course, predictability&mdash;that like cases are treated alike&mdash;is a fundamental component of the definition of justice.  The social benefits of the rule of law are so obvious that it should hardly be necessary to list them, but, aside from issues of fundamental fairness enshrined in our Constitution in the <i>ex post facto</i> clause among other places, predictability has other advantages.  If a result is predictable, settlement is easier: there&#8217;s little point in continuing to litigate on either side, because additional money spent on lawyers cannot change the result.  If a result is predictable, one can more easily conform conduct to be law-abiding.  Corporations aren&#8217;t incentivized to break contracts with one another to see whether they can get a better deal in the courts; individuals and corporations know where the line is in dealing with the public and won&#8217;t step over it.  <a href="http://www.aei.org/research/liability/publications/pubID.24875,projectID.23/pub_detail.asp">And as I noted last year</a>,</p>
<blockquote><p>In banana republics across the globe, economies come to a standstill because the risk of confiscation or corruption keeps many investments from ever happening. The same danger occurs when the expropriation is conducted by lawyers in the name of &#8220;justice.&#8221; If businessmen and entrepreneurs—be they insurers, manufacturers of lifesaving pharmaceuticals, or the small businesses that deliver your packages—have to account for the risk that their contractual arrangements will be disregarded by courts, they have to raise prices to account for that risk. Such increased prices mean fewer contracts are signed and fewer businesses are started. Consumers are worse off, not just because they now have fewer options, but because the economy is smaller as jobs and opportunities are lost. The only beneficiaries are the lawyers.</p></blockquote>
<p>The poster knows darn well that the idea of predictability in justice hardly originates with Dan Pero and reformers.  As I once noted to the same poster in a comment thread<a href="http://www.tortdeform.com/archives/2006/10/whats_your_stance_on_damage_ca_3.html#comment-1976">:</a></p>
<blockquote><p><i>Since when is predictability a component of justice?</i></p>
<p>Since at least Aristotle, and arguably even further back to Mosaic law and the Code of Hammurabi.</p></blockquote>
<p>If a desire for predictability in law makes one a reformer, then one can certainly add Plato, Thomas Aquinas, Montesquieu, Justice Holmes, and Lord Chief Justice Bingham of Cornhill to the list of reformers.  More recently, <a href="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0674808215/thf2homepageA">one can read Richard Epstein on the subject.</a>  Justinian Lane would serve himself better by reading more books and fewer anonymous blogs before he asks such silly questions<a href="http://www.tortdeform.com/archives/2007/06/why_is_predictability_so_impor.html">.</a></p>

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